Lightweight Ice Axe Recommendation

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 AndrewB121 28 Nov 2023

Looking for a good do-it-all pair of ice axes. Hoping to use them for a mix of scottish winter (up to around III/IV), ski mountaineering, summer alpinism, etc. I'm also currently just a poor student so not really able to get multiple pairs right now. 

Currently considering either the Blue Ice Akila or the BD Venom LT. The Akila has the advantage of being a tiny bit longer at 49cm (better for walking perhaps?) while the Venom LT is a bit shorter at 45cm but has a replaceable pick (better for longevity?). I've also been considering the Petzl Gully as it's the lightest of the 3, although doesn't have the spike or replaceable pick so perhaps the least versatile. I could also get some combination of them. My thinking is that if I ever do get into the proper hard stuff in a few year's time I would just get a pair of Nomics or equivalents, but for now these three options are the most versatile. For reference I'm 185cm tall.

My main question is; are these as good as some of the reviews seem to imply for the more technical scottish climbing, and will they be suitable up to grade III or IV? Or am I better off sacrificing the weight/versatility and just spending the money for a pair of Quarks?

 CameronDuff14 28 Nov 2023
In reply to AndrewB121:

I have quarks and they are brilliant as a quiver-of-one pair of tools. 

They're really not that heavy, and can be stripped down for walking/skiing/alpine use.

Have a poke around online, they can usually be found for semi-reasonable money. Don't see too many going up second hand; which is probably testimony to how good they are.

 65 28 Nov 2023
In reply to AndrewB121:

I'll second the Quarks idea. DMM Flys come up for sale now and then. I haven't use the but a friend had some and liked them, I recall thinking they were quite light. 2ndhand is the way to go, you may get something on here or eBay.

 slawrence1001 28 Nov 2023
In reply to AndrewB121:

If money is an issue and you don't want to be buying multiple pairs then Quarks are for sure the best choice. The extra weight is barely noticeable and the versatility more than makes up for it.

 cacheson 28 Nov 2023
In reply to AndrewB121:

Is it your first season? I've borrowed a Petzl Gully with an Aztarex to climb an M4 WI3 (around Scottish V 6 mixed into IV 4 ice) , and the Gully really surprised me at how good it was. For climbing ice it felt totally different to pretty much any other axe I've used- it's so light that you can't let the weight of the axe do the work, but if you swing hard it will bite nicely. For mixed, it was also surprisingly good, but I wasn't going to try torquing it. I immediately bought a Gully afterwards. FWIW my main climbing axes are apexes.

Will a Gully climb well for a couple of mixed routes? Absolutely. Will it survive multiple seasons of regular mixed? I wouldn't bet on it. I'd think of it as high performance in all aspects, but will only last if used sparingly. In other words, it's no work-horse. There will also be techniques that won't be available to you, like stein pulls and torquing.

I haven't tried the Blue Ice. I don't think the venom is as nice a tool as the Gully personally, but it does tick a lot of boxes and the replaceable pick is a huge bonus.

If you really are on a budget, if I were you I'd pick up a pair of cheap second-hand climbing axes and get a gully for ski mountaineering/ alpinism/ light use if you can afford it. A brand new pair of quarks would also be a great option, though I suspect more expensive than my other suggestion.

 midgen 28 Nov 2023
In reply to AndrewB121:

Fan of the Grivel North Machine Carbon myself, but wrong time of year to be looking for deals! 

 wbo2 28 Nov 2023
In reply to AndrewB121: So do you actually want a lightweight axe or not?

Second hand orange BD vipers and one of these or similar for skimo https://grivel.com/collections/ice-axes/products/ghost-ice-axe

 climber34neil 28 Nov 2023
In reply to AndrewB121:

Ice rock spark , might need to sell a kidney though 

 TobyA 28 Nov 2023
 Pina 28 Nov 2023
In reply to AndrewB121:

You could go light with the options you suggest or a Petzl summit. Bear in mind light comes at a sacrifice and in this case durability. Most of those axes have B rated picks which can't be replaced so the question will be, how much technical climbing are you planning on doing with them?

Considering that I've easily worn through a pair of picks in one season, that would put me off.

As the above posters, get quarks. It's not as light as you can go but very versatile and you can buy a light ski/mountaineering axe down the line.

In reply to AndrewB121:

Remember you’ve got to get to and from the routes too. Very short axes like a Gully won’t be much good for walking on steep ground too and from buttresses. Especially if you’re 185cm. 

I really rate Quarks too. They’ll climb fair harder than I ever will. I’ve also used mine a lot over many years and they’re still going strong. 

 

 damowilk 28 Nov 2023
In reply to AndrewB121:

I really like my Camp (though mine are badged Cassin) x-lights, for a use profile like yours. 
They’re probably a  small step down in technicality from quarks, but better for general mountaineering, and usually significantly cheaper. 
If you manage to find the optional more technical handle with the pinkie rest, they’ll also be more versatile again.

I prefer a mountaineering axe with a sliding trigger rest as the most common mode I’ll use them in is a high daggering position. 
 

NB, I’ve got a gully as a ski touring axe; it’s surprisingly capable, but I definitely wouldn’t use it as a main mountaineering/climbing axe. Good as a spare though. 

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 cacheson 29 Nov 2023
In reply to AndrewB121:

Also, there's the new DMM Vertex, which seems like it would be a good option to cover all the bases: https://www.ukclimbing.com/gear/snow+ice/ice_axes/vertex_-_dmms_lightest_ev... Retails cheaper than the quarks, though I suspect would be more expensive than the cassin x-lights. I haven't climbed with Vertexes (Vertices?), but I really rate DMM's other axes.

 James Harker 29 Nov 2023
In reply to cacheson:

Second the dmm vertex, it's a great all round axe. 

 James Harker 29 Nov 2023
In reply to cacheson:

Second the dmm vertex, it's a great all round axe. 

 TechnoJim 30 Nov 2023
In reply to AndrewB121:

Petzl Sumtecs might be a good option. Light, T-rated, adaptable. I loved mine and only sold them on and bought Quarks to help on steeper ice - I need all the help I can get!

 mcawle 01 Dec 2023
In reply to AndrewB121:

Consider the Singing Rock Bandits.

 Murcantile 01 Dec 2023
In reply to AndrewB121:

Petzl quarks do it all for me, find them on eBay! Got my pair maybe strapped to a pack once for £200

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