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A storm broke out over the weekend after it emerged that funding for the Mountain Weather Information Service will cease at the end of 2016. As a result the service in its current form may terminate.Read more
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In reply to UKC/UKH News:
Have Sportscotland actually confirmed that they are withdrawing funding? 2000 people have signed a petition but it's not actually clear what they're protesting.
Have Sportscotland actually confirmed that they are withdrawing funding? 2000 people have signed a petition but it's not actually clear what they're protesting.
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In reply to UKC/UKH News:
I'd like to know who runs SportScotland and what its political interests are. With a name like that, there is a danger it could be a Nationalist organisation, and thus unwilling to fund forecasts for England and Wales. Any reliable info on this?
I'd like to know who runs SportScotland and what its political interests are. With a name like that, there is a danger it could be a Nationalist organisation, and thus unwilling to fund forecasts for England and Wales. Any reliable info on this?
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In reply to katejsm:
UK government funding for sport is devolved to the different nations. SportScotland has helped fund MWIS for some time, but as far as I know SportEngland and Sportwales have not.
UK government funding for sport is devolved to the different nations. SportScotland has helped fund MWIS for some time, but as far as I know SportEngland and Sportwales have not.
In reply to rif:
Thanks, but not quite on the point I was making. The SNP are cutting back in all sorts of areas, so quite possibly this one. I should like to know if the majority of the Board and the Senior Management Team are SNP sympathisers.
Thanks, but not quite on the point I was making. The SNP are cutting back in all sorts of areas, so quite possibly this one. I should like to know if the majority of the Board and the Senior Management Team are SNP sympathisers.
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In reply to katejsm:
If only there was some sort of vast database of interconnected computers storing and sharing such information, and some means of searching through it, you wouldn't have had to go to the trouble of registering today just to ask that!
Yes, it's a vile Nationalist sect - dedicated to furthering the cause of the Caledonian Master Race through Sporting Supremacy. I hear they even have a youth wing, to better corrupt young minds!
http://www.sportscotland.org.uk/about_us/what_we_do/people/young_leaders/yo...
When will this madness end?
> I'd like to know who runs SportScotland and what its political interests are.
If only there was some sort of vast database of interconnected computers storing and sharing such information, and some means of searching through it, you wouldn't have had to go to the trouble of registering today just to ask that!
> With a name like that, there is a danger it could be a Nationalist organisation
Yes, it's a vile Nationalist sect - dedicated to furthering the cause of the Caledonian Master Race through Sporting Supremacy. I hear they even have a youth wing, to better corrupt young minds!
http://www.sportscotland.org.uk/about_us/what_we_do/people/young_leaders/yo...
When will this madness end?
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In reply to skog:
I did look up the Senior Management Team: the Director could give the impression of being a Nationalist, and Nationalists are not to be trusted.
Just because the organisation does worthy things for Sport doesn't mean it's not politically underpinned.
And your sarcasm is way too heavy-handed to be impressive.
I did look up the Senior Management Team: the Director could give the impression of being a Nationalist, and Nationalists are not to be trusted.
Just because the organisation does worthy things for Sport doesn't mean it's not politically underpinned.
And your sarcasm is way too heavy-handed to be impressive.
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In reply to UKC/UKH News:
Dear Kate - let me get this right. You are concerned that a weather service for Scotland, funded by Scotland is being defunded by Scotland to spite England and Wales?
Why dont you petition Sports England to provide similar?
Dear Kate - let me get this right. You are concerned that a weather service for Scotland, funded by Scotland is being defunded by Scotland to spite England and Wales?
Why dont you petition Sports England to provide similar?
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In reply to UKC/UKH News:
Maybe they could crowd fund it? I'd pay 30-50 quid a year sub for the service without hesitation.
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Maybe they could crowd fund it? I'd pay 30-50 quid a year sub for the service without hesitation.
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In reply to katejsm:
I can only apologise for the weight of my hands - they swell up whenever the weather forecast is threatened.
I can only apologise for the weight of my hands - they swell up whenever the weather forecast is threatened.
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In reply to katejsm:
I probably wouldn't go exploring the other forums.
> And your sarcasm is way too heavy-handed to be impressive.
I probably wouldn't go exploring the other forums.
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In reply to wbo:
Similar what?
I'm concerned that what may well be an SNP supported organisation is stopping an excellent service because it is not pro-Nationalist.
There's no point in asking SportScotland; if they are Nationalists, you won't get an honest answer from them.
Similar what?
I'm concerned that what may well be an SNP supported organisation is stopping an excellent service because it is not pro-Nationalist.
There's no point in asking SportScotland; if they are Nationalists, you won't get an honest answer from them.
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In reply to skog:
I don't think being disingenuously literal-minded really helps what little case you have.
If you have reliable knowledge of Sport Scotland's political base, I suggest you share it; otherwise, keep your self-indulgent replies to yourself.
I don't think being disingenuously literal-minded really helps what little case you have.
If you have reliable knowledge of Sport Scotland's political base, I suggest you share it; otherwise, keep your self-indulgent replies to yourself.
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In reply to katejsm:
On the plus side, it does help with jamming.
Sadly, as everyone knows, Scotsmen can't jam.
On the plus side, it does help with jamming.
Sadly, as everyone knows, Scotsmen can't jam.
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In reply to wbo:
I understand that the Scottish forecasts are funded by SportScotland, but that the English forecasts aren't. Sport England should indeed provide proportionate funding for that.
But I've a feeling, knowing the Nationalists as I do, that it's less about funding than about trying to squeeze out a non-Nationalist service.
I understand that the Scottish forecasts are funded by SportScotland, but that the English forecasts aren't. Sport England should indeed provide proportionate funding for that.
But I've a feeling, knowing the Nationalists as I do, that it's less about funding than about trying to squeeze out a non-Nationalist service.
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In reply to katejsm:
Now that'd be a good use of SportScotland money - field trips to Northumberland and the Peak, to help teach Scottish climbers the dark art of jamming.
Now that'd be a good use of SportScotland money - field trips to Northumberland and the Peak, to help teach Scottish climbers the dark art of jamming.
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In reply to skog:
You can't do that. They might use the opportunity to lay siege to York and take back Berwick, and then where would we be?
You can't do that. They might use the opportunity to lay siege to York and take back Berwick, and then where would we be?
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In reply to katejsm:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2016/scotland/results
I love how you seem to be assuming everything to do with the SNP can't be trusted... so basically you are saying nearly half the country disagree with you, but you are right... I'd admire your confidence, if that's all it is, but it smells more like arrogance to me.
and nothing about the rest of your posts has done anything to dissuade me (and probably the people mocking you) from thinking otherwise... but you carry on there, you seem to be generating some steam we can use to replace our nuclear power with
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2016/scotland/results
I love how you seem to be assuming everything to do with the SNP can't be trusted... so basically you are saying nearly half the country disagree with you, but you are right... I'd admire your confidence, if that's all it is, but it smells more like arrogance to me.
and nothing about the rest of your posts has done anything to dissuade me (and probably the people mocking you) from thinking otherwise... but you carry on there, you seem to be generating some steam we can use to replace our nuclear power with
In reply to katejsm:
I'd be interested to know why people think the MWIS forecasts are superior to the Met Office ones - is it that you think the MWIS ones are more accurate or "just" that you like the format?
As far as I can tell, the MWIS forecasts are "just" Geoff Monk having a look at the various Met Office forecasts (and presumably the GFS one too) [1] and presenting it a format useful to walkers / climbers. That's not to say that he doesn't know what he's doing or that there is no value in them, but there's no way he would be able to produce a useful forecast without model output from the national services.
[1] http://www.mwis.org.uk/how-we-forecast
I'd be interested to know why people think the MWIS forecasts are superior to the Met Office ones - is it that you think the MWIS ones are more accurate or "just" that you like the format?
As far as I can tell, the MWIS forecasts are "just" Geoff Monk having a look at the various Met Office forecasts (and presumably the GFS one too) [1] and presenting it a format useful to walkers / climbers. That's not to say that he doesn't know what he's doing or that there is no value in them, but there's no way he would be able to produce a useful forecast without model output from the national services.
[1] http://www.mwis.org.uk/how-we-forecast
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In reply to robhorton:
It does divide Scotland into five areas rather than two which is obviously preferable.
> I'd be interested to know why people think the MWIS forecasts are superior to the Met Office ones - is it that you think the MWIS ones are more accurate or "just" that you like the format?
It does divide Scotland into five areas rather than two which is obviously preferable.
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In reply to Robert Durran:
Not according to the government.
http://www.gov.scot/resource/0046/00464455.pdf
> It does divide Scotland into five areas rather than two which is obviously preferable.
Not according to the government.
http://www.gov.scot/resource/0046/00464455.pdf
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In reply to robhorton:
It has more regions and is a lot more accurate. Looking at a general met forecast for the area then the Mwis report for the hills works brilliantly for figuring out what's happening weather wise. The met mountain forecast is more like a horoscope in comparison and the site is awkward to use. Mwis also gives a cloud base which I find very useful and has been surprisingly accurate to date for anything I've done.
I believe the Scottish part of the Mwis is funded by Sportscotland but the English and Welsh parts are funded by the ads. Surely an overall sponsor by an outdoor brand could fund it's continuation? Especially given the amount of us that use the service. It would be great publicity.
It has more regions and is a lot more accurate. Looking at a general met forecast for the area then the Mwis report for the hills works brilliantly for figuring out what's happening weather wise. The met mountain forecast is more like a horoscope in comparison and the site is awkward to use. Mwis also gives a cloud base which I find very useful and has been surprisingly accurate to date for anything I've done.
I believe the Scottish part of the Mwis is funded by Sportscotland but the English and Welsh parts are funded by the ads. Surely an overall sponsor by an outdoor brand could fund it's continuation? Especially given the amount of us that use the service. It would be great publicity.
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In reply to katejsm:
As I recall, if you dig around a bit on the MWIS site you can find the links for Nationalist/Unionist forecasts as suits your taste.
> I'm concerned that what may well be an SNP supported organisation is stopping an excellent service because it is not pro-Nationalist.
As I recall, if you dig around a bit on the MWIS site you can find the links for Nationalist/Unionist forecasts as suits your taste.
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In reply to Oceanrower:
http://www.mwis.org.uk/home.asp
Definitely five areas!
> Not according to the government.
http://www.mwis.org.uk/home.asp
Definitely five areas!
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In reply to UKC/UKH News:
Dear sportscotland, whatever you think 'bespoke' means, that's not what it means.
Dear sportscotland, whatever you think 'bespoke' means, that's not what it means.
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In reply to UKC/UKH News:
Looks like a job for the BMC: Clmb Britain would have to include Scotland.
Looks like a job for the BMC: Clmb Britain would have to include Scotland.
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In reply to UKC/UKH News:
Always peeved that the MWIS never covered the South West especially Dartmoor.
Always peeved that the MWIS never covered the South West especially Dartmoor.
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In reply to katejsm:
What are you on about, it's a weather forecasting service, how can it be pro or anti nationalist???
What are you on about, it's a weather forecasting service, how can it be pro or anti nationalist???
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In reply to UKC/UKH News:
I don't winter climb much so it's not that relevant to me but what I found depressing in that report was the amount of non-speak.
I don't winter climb much so it's not that relevant to me but what I found depressing in that report was the amount of non-speak.
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In reply to robhorton:
The Met Office tends to supply ground-level forecasts, whereas MWIS gives more detailed walk & climber-relevant stuff like cloud cover, effect of wind, temperature on summits etc, all important factors when planning a day in the hills. Also a bit more detailed for distinct mountain areas.
The Met Office tends to supply ground-level forecasts, whereas MWIS gives more detailed walk & climber-relevant stuff like cloud cover, effect of wind, temperature on summits etc, all important factors when planning a day in the hills. Also a bit more detailed for distinct mountain areas.
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In reply to Misha:
SportScotland is a Scottish Nationalist front organisation. The Nationalists are interested in suppressing those who disagree with their way of doing this. One way they can do that is by stopping funding, which is what's happening here.
SportScotland is a Scottish Nationalist front organisation. The Nationalists are interested in suppressing those who disagree with their way of doing this. One way they can do that is by stopping funding, which is what's happening here.
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In reply to rallymania:
This is the old and tired and wrong SNP argument that because you are popular that somehow makes you right. Well, it doesn't. Hitler, Mussolini and Mugabe, for example, all had massive popular support, but they turned out to be dreadful tyrants.
I'll remind you of this when the SNP is voted out in 2020. The process has begun: the SNP has lost its overall majority in Holyrood and in the most recent poll, Ruth Davidson's popularity overtook Sturgeon's.
The SNP will fail before long because it is based on hatred and negativity, because it survives only by deceiving gullible people and because as a 'government' it is quite extraordinarily incompetent.
This is the old and tired and wrong SNP argument that because you are popular that somehow makes you right. Well, it doesn't. Hitler, Mussolini and Mugabe, for example, all had massive popular support, but they turned out to be dreadful tyrants.
I'll remind you of this when the SNP is voted out in 2020. The process has begun: the SNP has lost its overall majority in Holyrood and in the most recent poll, Ruth Davidson's popularity overtook Sturgeon's.
The SNP will fail before long because it is based on hatred and negativity, because it survives only by deceiving gullible people and because as a 'government' it is quite extraordinarily incompetent.
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In reply to katejsm:
I am no friend of the SNP, but your comments are frankly pure nonsense with regard to suggesting some Nationalist plot to remove MWIS. Your real identity is not Donald J. Trump is it?
> This is the old and tired and wrong SNP argument that because you are popular that somehow makes you right. Well, it doesn't. Hitler, Mussolini and Mugabe, for example, all had massive popular support, but they turned out to be dreadful tyrants.
> I'll remind you of this when the SNP is voted out in 2020. The process has begun: the SNP has lost its overall majority in Holyrood and in the most recent poll, Ruth Davidson's popularity overtook Sturgeon's.
> The SNP will fail before long because it is based on hatred and negativity, because it survives only by deceiving gullible people and because as a 'government' it is quite extraordinarily incompetent.
I am no friend of the SNP, but your comments are frankly pure nonsense with regard to suggesting some Nationalist plot to remove MWIS. Your real identity is not Donald J. Trump is it?
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In reply to skog:
Best troll in ages!
> Jings, I'm not sure I've ever seen a better example of Poe's Law!
Best troll in ages!
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In reply to skog:
I have a good nose for a troll, and was on the cusp of congratulating Kate [name removed] on his success in this thread.
However, in this case I'm just irritated by the potential loss of MWIS so Kate/ Louise/ whatever your name is- gtf and let us talk sense here please.
I have a good nose for a troll, and was on the cusp of congratulating Kate [name removed] on his success in this thread.
However, in this case I'm just irritated by the potential loss of MWIS so Kate/ Louise/ whatever your name is- gtf and let us talk sense here please.
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In reply to planetmarshall:
Perhaps Kate has a point? Hitler, Mussolini and Mugabe especially, all generally got better weather than we do (Stalingrad aside). However now the secret is out that the SNP are keeping the best weather to themselves for when they go out. (Salmond Leap climbed in good conditions, and what about Sturgeon in the Cupboard ? and as for all that Sunshine on Leith ......) Surely they`ll now have to share a wee bit of their weather ?
Perhaps Kate has a point? Hitler, Mussolini and Mugabe especially, all generally got better weather than we do (Stalingrad aside). However now the secret is out that the SNP are keeping the best weather to themselves for when they go out. (Salmond Leap climbed in good conditions, and what about Sturgeon in the Cupboard ? and as for all that Sunshine on Leith ......) Surely they`ll now have to share a wee bit of their weather ?
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In reply to leon 1:
Shhhhh......... that's just a decoy to keep the southerners from venturing north of the central belt and well away from Reiff.
> ..........and as for all that Sunshine on Leith ......Surely they`ll now have to share a wee bit of their weather ?
Shhhhh......... that's just a decoy to keep the southerners from venturing north of the central belt and well away from Reiff.
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In reply to aln:
You mean airy fairy the guff by Sport Scotland? Indeed depressing, wobble headed NGO drivel. Are there any straight talking, hairy bollocked men or women left in the U.K?
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You mean airy fairy the guff by Sport Scotland? Indeed depressing, wobble headed NGO drivel. Are there any straight talking, hairy bollocked men or women left in the U.K?
D
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In reply to JSTaylor:
Your bald assertion means nothing. My premises have evidence & reason. Dismissing them as 'nonsense' means nothing. Grow up and try to argue like a grown man instead of a petulant child.
Your bald assertion means nothing. My premises have evidence & reason. Dismissing them as 'nonsense' means nothing. Grow up and try to argue like a grown man instead of a petulant child.
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In reply to UKC/UKH News: Funded for next 3 years.
http://www.walkhighlands.co.uk/news/mountain-weather-information-service-fu...
http://www.walkhighlands.co.uk/news/mountain-weather-information-service-fu...
In reply to mattlee:
The phrase 'bald assertion' is a perfectly good (and accepted) use of English. A 'bold assertion' would be something else.
The phrase 'bald assertion' is a perfectly good (and accepted) use of English. A 'bold assertion' would be something else.
In reply to Rob Parsons:
Indeed, katejsm kindly provides many examples of such above.
> The phrase 'bald assertion' is a perfectly good (and accepted) use of English.
Indeed, katejsm kindly provides many examples of such above.
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In reply to Rob Parsons:
I stand corrected - thanks for the grammar lesson !. You learn something everyday
I stand corrected - thanks for the grammar lesson !. You learn something everyday
In reply to katejsm:
Hi Katejsm
Perhaps you might like to inform the forum as to what the SNP are cutting back on. I think you are just talking through a hole in your behind.
Hi Katejsm
Perhaps you might like to inform the forum as to what the SNP are cutting back on. I think you are just talking through a hole in your behind.
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In reply to katejsm:
Would you care to apologise jumping the gun on this matter and slandering half the population of Scotland who are nationalists. Sportscotland, funded by Holyrood have just announced funding for another 3 years.
> Similar what?
> I'm concerned that what may well be an SNP supported organisation is stopping an excellent service because it is not pro-Nationalist.
> There's no point in asking SportScotland; if they are Nationalists, you won't get an honest answer from them.
Would you care to apologise jumping the gun on this matter and slandering half the population of Scotland who are nationalists. Sportscotland, funded by Holyrood have just announced funding for another 3 years.
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