Donald Rumsfeld RIP

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 SouthernSteve 30 Jun 2021

He will never know what he didn't know he didn't know - from the quote that will last long after him!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-57674117

 Dr.S at work 30 Jun 2021
In reply to SouthernSteve:

Well, that’s one more known known.

 65 30 Jun 2021
In reply to SouthernSteve:

"Anyone who knows, and knows that he knows,
makes the steed of intelligence leap over the vault of heaven.
Anyone who does not know but knows that he does not know,
can bring his lame little donkey to the destination nonetheless.
Anyone who does not know, and does not know that he does not know,
is stuck forever in double ignorance."

13th Century Persian intellectual Nasir al-Din al-Tusi.

The quote has been around a lot longer than Rumsfeld.

OP SouthernSteve 30 Jun 2021
In reply to 65:

Fascinating – thank you

 wercat 30 Jun 2021
In reply to Dr.S at work:

one less known evil in the world

In reply to SouthernSteve:

While obviously not a fan of the guy, I thought the comment made perfect sense. The media chose to make it sound like it was impossible to comprehend.

 Tom Valentine 01 Jul 2021
In reply to DubyaJamesDubya:

I understood it. Kind of.

 wercat 01 Jul 2021
In reply to SouthernSteve:

by the way, he falls into the category of people for whom I would wish no peace or resting, for eternity

 dbapaul 01 Jul 2021
In reply to SouthernSteve:

Absolutely no fan of the guy but I did make heavy use of his quote when I worked in IT. Paradoxically it made explaining complex risk factors around data security a bit easier.

 yorkshireman 01 Jul 2021
In reply to SouthernSteve:

Quite an appropriately brutal but fair article in the Atlantic

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/06/how-donald-rumsfeld-deser...

 65 01 Jul 2021
In reply to yorkshireman:

Quite restrained I thought. The kindest epitaph I can think of is that Bolton and Pompeo are worse. 

Roadrunner6 01 Jul 2021
In reply to wercat:

Weren’t you one of the ones appalled at any negativity on Prince Phillips RIP threads?
 

anyway..

https://www.duffelblog.com/p/donald-rumsfeld-refuses-to-live-in?fbclid=IwAR...

Roadrunner6 01 Jul 2021
In reply to 65:

> Quite restrained I thought. The kindest epitaph I can think of is that Bolton and Pompeo are worse. 

Bolton? I think Pompeo is a low life shit. Bolton seemed pretty inconsequential in the last administration.

Although with Rumsfeld there was massive US wide support at the time for the interventions. Bush was hugely popular. 

 65 01 Jul 2021
In reply to Roadrunner6:

>  Bolton seemed pretty inconsequential in the last administration.

Only because he couldn't influence Trump to be a hell of a lot more hawkish. Bolton's philosophy on foreign policy is to bomb non-compliant countries to smithereens then install a US friendly despot, and to hell with human rights. He's not alone in this of course, and he doesn't hide it. The heir apparent to Kissinger.

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Roadrunner6 01 Jul 2021
In reply to 65:

Yeah I'm not sure how much of that was crazy old man rantings to fox news, once in he seemed much more measured but maybe he was just amazed by how bat shit crazy Trump was.


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