In reply to krikoman:
Update:
I ended up with a pair of Joker Plus', on sale at GO for £64.
Unfortunately, I think they're called Jokers for a reason.
1st route, foot slipped off, 2nd attempt was OK.
3rd route foot slipped off, again 2nd attempt was OK
the rest of the 2 hour session was OK, but I was a bit weary to say the least, by the end of the night my toes were hurting, but decided this was either the seam in my socks digging in, or simply my feet stretching a new shoe.
Sunday start of a 5 hour session, foot slipped on 2nd route, the for the next 3 hours no problem, much more comfortable than Wednesday.
Break for tea and cake, third route after tea, foot slipped off quite a big and rough hold, couldn't work out how or why!! Went on to climb some hard route with marginal foot hold no bother.
Swapped into a pair of Red Chilli Impact Zones, that I've had for a long time, but couldn't remember why I didn't use them much, and ended up continuing with my Mad Rock's. The reason became apparent after a couple of routes, they seem very thin and the foot holds hurt my feet, sometimes!
So the Jokers are very stiff ( at least compared to Chillis and Mad Rocks, the Mad rocks are only slightly, if at all stiffer then the Chillis ), but I found I was losing "feeling" at the expense of too much feeling from the Chillis, not sure I like the randomness of the grip on them, if it was a constant thing you might be able to make allowances, but sometimes they were fine on marginal stuff and then shit on what should have been bomber stuff.
So in conclusion, the Jokers are now a challenge, "6b in slippy boots".
Not sure, if the Jokers need "warming up" a bit first, they've seemed to slip on early routes!
The Chillis are comfortable to wear but not for all day stuff, ( or maybe with a bit of cardboard inside ( or maybe I need to man up my feet )
My three pairs of Mad Rock Frenzy Velcros are off to get new soles fitted and I'll probably carry on with them.
Interestingly, or maybe not, I've noticed my left shoes seems to have more wear on it than my right shoes, I do know what that means, but I'm open to suggestions.
Thanks everyone that's contributed