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Exhilarating climbing on large holds. The grade is quite close to the HVS/E1 boundary so the arguments will go on. Climb the slab, build a safety net then head across the centre of the roof, first right then back left, with heel-hooks and some brute force. © Rockfax

FA. Paul Grey 1966.

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dmason1992 21 Sep Show βeta
βeta: Watched a fair bit of YouTube beta for this. Watched some chavs fail it (for the best due to dubious belay technique) then surprised myself by flashing it. Epic climb
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βeta: Watched a fair bit of YouTube beta for this. Watched some chavs fail it (for the best due to dubious belay technique) then surprised myself by flashing it. Epic climb
RobHearnden 23 Aug Show βeta
βeta: Does it really matter if its E1 or HVS? Good fun.
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βeta: Does it really matter if its E1 or HVS? Good fun.
colinwww 14 Jul, 2009 Show βeta
βeta: This was graded HVS when I first climbed it. But definately worth an E point for anyone who leads it. It saps enegy fast and my forearms were like stone afterwards. Think it warrants E1 as there's only one way to go if your arms blow. I have talked to a climber who broke his shoulder falling onto the slab below so "safe as houses" is probably not the best way to describe it. Agree with the comment below - it is more about eyeing the route from the ground and thinking - "do I like the look of that?". Enjoy.
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βeta: This was graded HVS when I first climbed it. But definately worth an E point for anyone who leads it. It saps enegy fast and my forearms were like stone afterwards. Think it warrants E1 as there's only one way to go if your arms blow. I have talked to a climber who broke his shoulder falling onto the slab below so "safe as houses" is probably not the best way to describe it. Agree with the comment below - it is more about eyeing the route from the ground and thinking - "do I like the look of that?". Enjoy.
craig d 2 Jul, 2007 Show βeta
βeta: For off width: That is not the case at all. The average climbing grade in the UK is way below E1. It just winds me up when routes get upgraded all the time. When i started climbing 25 years ago you had to work hard to climb extreme and now it seems people can do it easily by upgrading routes. Three pebble slab to quote the usual suspect for overgrading on this website is never E1. Neil Binns quotes definitive E1's such as left unconquerable and strapiombante (the first is easy for the grade, the 2nd is HVS). It is not people leading easy E1's that i have a problem with it is people fooling themselves into thinking they can climb harder than they can by constant upgrading.
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βeta: For off width: That is not the case at all. The average climbing grade in the UK is way below E1. It just winds me up when routes get upgraded all the time. When i started climbing 25 years ago you had to work hard to climb extreme and now it seems people can do it easily by upgrading routes. Three pebble slab to quote the usual suspect for overgrading on this website is never E1. Neil Binns quotes definitive E1's such as left unconquerable and strapiombante (the first is easy for the grade, the 2nd is HVS). It is not people leading easy E1's that i have a problem with it is people fooling themselves into thinking they can climb harder than they can by constant upgrading.
Offwidth 2 Jul, 2007 Show βeta
βeta: For craig: anyone leading easy E1's at their limit is a punter. Probably a tough VS solo for solid extreme leaders doing it for their nth time ;-)
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βeta: For craig: anyone leading easy E1's at their limit is a punter. Probably a tough VS solo for solid extreme leaders doing it for their nth time ;-)
craig d 21 Jun, 2007 Show βeta
βeta: Anyone who thinks this is E1 is a punter. Please stop overgrading. This route has always been a thuggy, well protected HVS.
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βeta: Anyone who thinks this is E1 is a punter. Please stop overgrading. This route has always been a thuggy, well protected HVS.
Neil Binns 17 Jun, 2007 Show βeta
βeta: Can't see how this can be possibly be HVS. Strenuous to get the gear in at the lip. I think this is as hard as plently of definitive E1s. e.g. Left Unconquerable, Strapiombante
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βeta: Can't see how this can be possibly be HVS. Strenuous to get the gear in at the lip. I think this is as hard as plently of definitive E1s. e.g. Left Unconquerable, Strapiombante
jl100 4 Apr, 2007 Show βeta
βeta: Awesome Route, over far too soon, but totally brilliant. HVS 5B, it would have made a nice first E1 though.
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βeta: Awesome Route, over far too soon, but totally brilliant. HVS 5B, it would have made a nice first E1 though.
Al Evans 30 Sep, 2006 Show βeta
βeta: It may be E1 for the short, just because getting the first friend runner is a way long stretch. Heel hooking at its ultimate, probably easier than Sloth.
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βeta: It may be E1 for the short, just because getting the first friend runner is a way long stretch. Heel hooking at its ultimate, probably easier than Sloth.
micros are cool 29 Aug, 2006 Show βeta
βeta: My first E1, that was until i heard it was down graded - gutted! not as hard as it looks, strong but nice jugs.
 
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βeta: My first E1, that was until i heard it was down graded - gutted! not as hard as it looks, strong but nice jugs.
Si dH 11 Aug, 2006 Show βeta
βeta: I have now tried anf failed twice on this despite being pretty strong in the arms and climbing E1 reasonably consistently at the moment. I just find it completely desperate at the break. Do all these people claiming HVS have a clipstick for mwhich to place their cams or what? Do the yjust stick them in any old how and keep climbing? Its not a particularly friendly break for placing things quick, being polished to buggery and out-of-sight while you hang to place them...
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βeta: I have now tried anf failed twice on this despite being pretty strong in the arms and climbing E1 reasonably consistently at the moment. I just find it completely desperate at the break. Do all these people claiming HVS have a clipstick for mwhich to place their cams or what? Do the yjust stick them in any old how and keep climbing? Its not a particularly friendly break for placing things quick, being polished to buggery and out-of-sight while you hang to place them...
MeMeMe 23 Aug, 2004 Show βeta
βeta: Lovely climb! One long reach to get a hand on the lip which would be pretty desperate if you are short, but from there great gear and huge holds. Easy for the grade as long as you have your bold lead head on. After all these years looking at it and thinking I'd probably never be able to climb it I was surprised it didn't put up more of a fight. Very chuffed.
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βeta: Lovely climb! One long reach to get a hand on the lip which would be pretty desperate if you are short, but from there great gear and huge holds. Easy for the grade as long as you have your bold lead head on. After all these years looking at it and thinking I'd probably never be able to climb it I was surprised it didn't put up more of a fight. Very chuffed.
Mark S Davies 22 Apr, 2003 Show βeta
βeta: Great Route E0 5b
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βeta: Great Route E0 5b
stow 22 Apr, 2003 Show βeta
βeta: Mmmm. Big roof but big holds. Reminds me of the Gunks!
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βeta: Mmmm. Big roof but big holds. Reminds me of the Gunks!
Robo 8 Sep, 2002 Show βeta
βeta: What an awesome awesome route. Do it and you will feel like a god as you sit belaying atop the summit block.
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βeta: What an awesome awesome route. Do it and you will feel like a god as you sit belaying atop the summit block.
Charles Arthur 1 Sep, 2002 Show βeta
βeta: HVS, surely. Easier for the tall, but the holds are huge - loaves of bread was the phrase Grimer used, I think. Marvellous.
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βeta: HVS, surely. Easier for the tall, but the holds are huge - loaves of bread was the phrase Grimer used, I think. Marvellous.

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Grade: E1 5b ***
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