In reply to JMarkW:
> After a week of winter caving and long nights at the helwith bridge as a student out last day of caving was breakfast at fountains at 4pm followed by looking for the entrance to black shiver and actually getting back out in the daylight.....
I only ever went in the Fountains in the morning when it was the haunt of cavers. Passing by in the afternoon it always seemed like the clientele changed totally to a much more genteel variety, the sort of elderly couple out for a Sunday drive in the Rover followed by tea and cake. I often wondered what they'd think if they turned up a few hours earlier.