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I'm looking for a fleece lined trouser that I can wear under hardshell trousers. I like my buffalo mountain shirt, but would like to continue wearing my hardshell trousers and I reckon the buffalo salopettes will be too warm under them, so thinking of getting the teclite trousers or tab vapour rise pants. Anyone have both to compare? Are there any other alternatives out there? How similar is VR to buffalo teclite?

I tend to get cold legs, even wearing up to four layers. Getting closer to my ideal with brynje/polyester+Spandex, softshell and hardshell combo, but I wonder if a pile/pertex under hardshell might be better and simpler as moisture inevitably presses through, wetting out the softshell and leaving damp baselayers.

Sorry I don't have either but just to note that Rab changed the vr range last summer so the lining of most but not all, maybe some older stuff around, product on the market may not be of the classic driclime type you are thinking of...

I've used the Teclite trousers in Scotland in winter (with 'shorts' style underwear) and I've found them to be very good (and the Pertex outer is robust). However, you say you get cold legs. You might be OK with a decent pair of hardshell overtrousers over the Teclites, but only you can decide that as only you know how you feel. Sorry I can't be more helpful, but good luck with your quest.

Spotted the Mount Equip Kinesis pants the other week and they ticked a few boxes so maybe they'd suite what you're looking for too. 

https://www.ultralightoutdoorgear.co.uk/new-in-c171/kinesis-pant-p14067

In the timed honoured UKC tradition of not actually answering your question, have you tried layering your legs like you'd do your top half?

I'm trialing (or would be if I was allowed out) some ME compressor pants as a layer over my hardshell trousers when it gets really cold as I do with a belay jacket.

I usually wear powerstretch leggings under softshell or hardshell in winter and am usually warm enough.

The compressor pants are very warm, fit over my hardshell trousers easily enough but as a bonus fit under so I can use them as layers too.

I've used vaporise guide pants for years and swear by them for Scottish winter. I wear them just as they are for the walk in and then layer my goretex on top for climbing. 

Aye, I've tried different combinations of brynje, merino, polyester, softshell. Looking for more warmth when wet/damp as I've given up trying to be completely dry.

Ok, have you tried the new ones or are you still using older clothes from Rab?

Hmmm.

Back in the 90s I was a proper Buffalo boy for Scottish winter, I had the HA salopettes, Big Face shirt + hood and the Belay Jacket + second hood. That used to do me for most stuff although when I got a lightish down jacket (a '95 TNF Nuptse which I keep reading are super fashionable currently and sell for loads second hand! I'm still quite found of my 25 year old one though so won't sell it!) I'd sometimes take that as well particularly for really cold days - the Ben in February for example. 

I used to wear Helly Hansen lifa (quite light) under the salopettes but never needed to put something over them. I imagine if you are going to pull goretex over them, they will be really warm. They might work well though if you get cold legs!

I found Buffalo pants to be very warm always having to undo the zips and let cold air in, didn’t really get on with them. I’m currently using some Paramo pants and I find them very good. Hope this helps.

I'm reviewing Mountain Equipment's Kinesis range at the moment, including the Pants (trousers). I've worn little else for winter hill days over the last few weeks. I'd recommend trying them on if you can as they are quite baggy, but other than that I think they're really good either on their own, layered over a base, or under waterproofs. We're aiming to have the review published in the next week or two, more detail then.

Ok, I guess I'll hold off to see what you say. Thanks.

Sounds cosy. I'm yet to see someone rock a full suit. Maybe I'll bring it back into fashion.