In reply to mongoosekiller:
They're a pretty stock beginner all round shoe. Not exciting , but good enough if they fit you.
I recall from another thread you like unparalllel, even though they don't make anything comparable. If i had to wear unparallel shoes I'd give up climbing as they are , for me, a horrible, uncomfortable shoe with a toe of dead space where it shouldn't be, At some point you learn that fit's worth more than fashion