In reply to John Kelly:
> In reply to TobyA
> Gridlock, complete pain in backside
> More generally
> Is cross loading actually that problematic?, only references to problems, I can find, involve fig 8's
> Phantom screwgate whopping 9 kn across gate, no expert but understand that's nearly a tonne force, sufficient to blow other bits of the safety chain.
The main reason for using this type of karabiner is when belaying with things like the Magajul, ClickUp etc, if the karabiner rotates the blocking mechanism is prevented from working. and you get virtually no braking effect.