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As the name says. I remember them coming out in the 80's as a welsh outfit. I have a thing at work regarding recall of some gear and got me thinking. I think it was Dinas Mot mountaineering but probably not. If someone could let me know as its started to bug me and google has revealed nothing.
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In reply to Ron Rees Davies:
Bit ironic really, your link doesn't say, and only vaguely implies. Also the first page of Google isn't helpful, unless it's actually Demented Metal Monkeys (no, I don't know either!). UKC really is getting quite unfriendly at times!
Bit ironic really, your link doesn't say, and only vaguely implies. Also the first page of Google isn't helpful, unless it's actually Demented Metal Monkeys (no, I don't know either!). UKC really is getting quite unfriendly at times!
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In reply to damowilk:
The UKC forum is full of trolls and sourpusses, however people do get a bit annoyed at being repeatedly asked the same question:
http://www.ukhillwalking.com/forums/info/search.php?forum=0&dates=1&na...
The UKC forum is full of trolls and sourpusses, however people do get a bit annoyed at being repeatedly asked the same question:
http://www.ukhillwalking.com/forums/info/search.php?forum=0&dates=1&na...
In reply to EddInaBox:
Fair enough, although 3 times over 10 years isn't too bad, and it beats monthly threads about Bear Grylls!
Fair enough, although 3 times over 10 years isn't too bad, and it beats monthly threads about Bear Grylls!
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In reply to fmck:
I'm sure my pals always called it Dangermouse Mountaineering. Not sure why, but I do like Dangermouse
I'm sure my pals always called it Dangermouse Mountaineering. Not sure why, but I do like Dangermouse
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In reply to damowilk:
From a quick search that backs up my memory/understanding: Denny Moorhouse Mountaineering
From a quick search that backs up my memory/understanding: Denny Moorhouse Mountaineering
In reply to fmck:
I've always been told it was Denny Moorhouse Mountaineering (including by someone who worked for them).
Upon reflection I think the most likely answer is the DMM stands for Denny M. Moorhouse as the firm's first incarnation with the initials was DMM Engineering (changed from Moorhouse Engineering). Denny Moorhouse Mountaineering Engineering seems a bit cumbersome and Full Name followed by Engineering is a logical progression from part name followed by engineering..
I don't claim to have certain knowledge though.
It seems Google is not the font of all knowledge after all.
I've always been told it was Denny Moorhouse Mountaineering (including by someone who worked for them).
Upon reflection I think the most likely answer is the DMM stands for Denny M. Moorhouse as the firm's first incarnation with the initials was DMM Engineering (changed from Moorhouse Engineering). Denny Moorhouse Mountaineering Engineering seems a bit cumbersome and Full Name followed by Engineering is a logical progression from part name followed by engineering..
I don't claim to have certain knowledge though.
It seems Google is not the font of all knowledge after all.
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In reply to damowilk:
Yes it is.
> Bit ironic really, your link doesn't say, and only vaguely implies. Also the first page of Google isn't helpful, unless it's actually Demented Metal Monkeys (no, I don't know either!). UKC really is getting quite unfriendly at times!
Yes it is.
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In reply to EddInaBox:
You mean like, it's them 'personally' who are being asked, and having to respond from behind their computers?
Gosh how do they manage? I guess it is hard to not click onto a thread and be unfriendly.
I've lately found myself wondering where all the friendly people have gone.
> The UKC forum is full of trolls and sourpusses, however people do get a bit annoyed at being repeatedly asked the same question:
You mean like, it's them 'personally' who are being asked, and having to respond from behind their computers?
Gosh how do they manage? I guess it is hard to not click onto a thread and be unfriendly.
I've lately found myself wondering where all the friendly people have gone.
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In reply to paul_in_cumbria:
Denny moorhouse manufacturing
'Denny Moorhouse *Mountaineering*', isn't it Paul?
Anyway, to the OP: the significant thing is that 'DM' = 'Denny Moorhouse' - who was also responsible for starting 'Clog' gear.
These things, and the history, matters: the innovators of that generation were our Chouinards.
Denny moorhouse manufacturing
> This^^^^^^^
'Denny Moorhouse *Mountaineering*', isn't it Paul?
Anyway, to the OP: the significant thing is that 'DM' = 'Denny Moorhouse' - who was also responsible for starting 'Clog' gear.
These things, and the history, matters: the innovators of that generation were our Chouinards.
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In reply to Rob Parsons:
Thanks for that I had been looking to see the connection with Clog. I had some memory that there was some connection there.
Its a pity there having such problems at the moment with their carabiner recall. Safety at my work has put a blanket ban on their products which is obviously overkill.
> Anyway, to the OP: the significant thing is that 'DM' = 'Denny Moorhouse' - who was also responsible for starting 'Clog' gear.
Thanks for that I had been looking to see the connection with Clog. I had some memory that there was some connection there.
Its a pity there having such problems at the moment with their carabiner recall. Safety at my work has put a blanket ban on their products which is obviously overkill.
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In reply to Rob Parsons:
Hi Rob,
It just shows how urban myths take on a life of their own. I thought it was "manufacturing" from way back near the Clogwyn era.
> Denny moorhouse manufacturing
> 'Denny Moorhouse *Mountaineering*', isn't it Paul?
> Anyway, to the OP: the significant thing is that 'DM' = 'Denny Moorhouse' - who was also responsible for starting 'Clog' gear.
> These things, and the history, matters: the innovators of that generation were our Chouinards.
Hi Rob,
It just shows how urban myths take on a life of their own. I thought it was "manufacturing" from way back near the Clogwyn era.
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In reply to DubyaJamesDubya:
I'm curious now; and was probably wrong above.
Looking at http://www.checkcompany.co.uk/director/2583234/-DENNY-MARSDIN-MOORHOUSE, the two listed company names are 'D. M. M. ENGINEERING LIMITED' and 'DMM INTERNATIONAL LIMITED'. Assuming that's correct, it suggests that 'DMM' stands for his initials.
I'm curious now; and was probably wrong above.
Looking at http://www.checkcompany.co.uk/director/2583234/-DENNY-MARSDIN-MOORHOUSE, the two listed company names are 'D. M. M. ENGINEERING LIMITED' and 'DMM INTERNATIONAL LIMITED'. Assuming that's correct, it suggests that 'DMM' stands for his initials.
In reply to damowilk:
You mean BFG?
> Fair enough, although 3 times over 10 years isn't too bad, and it beats monthly threads about Bear Grylls!
You mean BFG?
In reply to fmck:
I used to work for DMM and throughout my time there I was told several different things by several different people, in fact even to this day I still don't know which one it officially is - I suspect it's either one of the first two.
Denny Marsden Moorhouse
Denny Moorhouse Mouldings
Denny Moorhouse Mountaineering
Don't Make Money
I used to work for DMM and throughout my time there I was told several different things by several different people, in fact even to this day I still don't know which one it officially is - I suspect it's either one of the first two.
Denny Marsden Moorhouse
Denny Moorhouse Mouldings
Denny Moorhouse Mountaineering
Don't Make Money
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In reply to EddInaBox: I worked at Clogwyn Climbing Gear from 1976 to 1983. One year I stayed at his mothers house in Harrowgate, we We're at the trade show. I thought she called him Martin but it could have been Marsdin. It was along time ago and an old lady with a Yorkshire accent was a bit odd for myself a Lancashire lad. Denny is now living by a beach in the Far East. I could write a book on my time there.
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In reply to fmck:
Beyond overkill, I'd say, and into the realms of the bloody stupid.
There's a similar connection with ISC, btw: http://www.iscwales.com/
(Can't see any reference to Denny Moorhouse on their website, but I believe he owns the company.)
> Thanks for that I had been looking to see the connection with Clog. I had some memory that there was some connection there.
> <snippage> Safety at my work has put a blanket ban on their products which is obviously overkill.
Beyond overkill, I'd say, and into the realms of the bloody stupid.
There's a similar connection with ISC, btw: http://www.iscwales.com/
(Can't see any reference to Denny Moorhouse on their website, but I believe he owns the company.)
In reply to Climbingspike:
Was I wrong above, or has he sold up and/or retired from ISC now?
Good luck to him anyway. :O)
> Denny is now living by a beach in the Far East. I could write a book on my time there.
Was I wrong above, or has he sold up and/or retired from ISC now?
Good luck to him anyway. :O)
In reply to Climbingspike:
Companies House has Denny Marsdin Moorhouse listed as a former director, however everyone else seems to think it's Marsden, and almost at the end of this discussion:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.climbing/pBmXWiFup7U
someone posting under the name Ruth Moorhouse says the same.
> ... One year I stayed at his mothers house in Harrowgate, we We're at the trade show. I thought she called him Martin but it could have been Marsdin.
Companies House has Denny Marsdin Moorhouse listed as a former director, however everyone else seems to think it's Marsden, and almost at the end of this discussion:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.climbing/pBmXWiFup7U
someone posting under the name Ruth Moorhouse says the same.
In reply to EddInaBox: Ruth Moorhouse is Denny's daughter. Who better to answer the question.
DMM stands for Denny Marsden Moorhouse.
He started Clogwyn Climbing Gear also known as Clog Wales. ( this took up less space to stamp on crabs etc )
First started at a house above Deiniolen then moved to the old cinema in Deiniolen . Then moved down to the old slate pencil factory below Deiniolen. A huge new building was built across the road. This was the bigining of the end for clog. The company was taken over by Barrow Hepburn. They had no interest in climbing gear only the industrial stuff. They sold it on to Wild Country . Meanwhile DMM got started in Llanberis. Hugh Banner managed the WC site then left to start his own company making climbing hardware, he took with him some key personnel. In time DMM took over WC. Denny left DMM and started a company making industrial hardware in Bangor. The last I heard,he now lives in the Far East.
Does this answer the question ?
DMM stands for Denny Marsden Moorhouse.
He started Clogwyn Climbing Gear also known as Clog Wales. ( this took up less space to stamp on crabs etc )
First started at a house above Deiniolen then moved to the old cinema in Deiniolen . Then moved down to the old slate pencil factory below Deiniolen. A huge new building was built across the road. This was the bigining of the end for clog. The company was taken over by Barrow Hepburn. They had no interest in climbing gear only the industrial stuff. They sold it on to Wild Country . Meanwhile DMM got started in Llanberis. Hugh Banner managed the WC site then left to start his own company making climbing hardware, he took with him some key personnel. In time DMM took over WC. Denny left DMM and started a company making industrial hardware in Bangor. The last I heard,he now lives in the Far East.
Does this answer the question ?
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In reply to fmck:
Seems the answer is that it stands for DMM. Much like BP used to be an abbreviation, but now it's just BP.
Seems the answer is that it stands for DMM. Much like BP used to be an abbreviation, but now it's just BP.
In reply to Rob Parsons:
That's what I concluded and it appears,finally, to have been confirmed by his daughter.
That's what I concluded and it appears,finally, to have been confirmed by his daughter.
In reply to DubyaJamesDubya:
I'm glad the OP asked, or people might have continued to think it was Denny Morehouse Mountaineering.
That's a poke in the eye for the grumblers, I guess.
I'm glad the OP asked, or people might have continued to think it was Denny Morehouse Mountaineering.
That's a poke in the eye for the grumblers, I guess.
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In reply to fmck:
I was under the impression that it stands for 'climb big mountains' in welsh - Ddringo Mynydd Mawr (apologies welsh speakers...). apparently im wrong?
I was under the impression that it stands for 'climb big mountains' in welsh - Ddringo Mynydd Mawr (apologies welsh speakers...). apparently im wrong?
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In reply to DubyaJamesDubya:
>it appears,finally, to have been confirmed by his daughter.
"............The last I heard,he now lives in the Far East."
She doesn't know where her father lives? how sad!
>it appears,finally, to have been confirmed by his daughter.
"............The last I heard,he now lives in the Far East."
She doesn't know where her father lives? how sad!
In reply to Climbingspike:
Errrr.... It reads like it was posted or copied from the daughter. As there is nothing obvious to show where that ends and the poster has possibly added his/her comment you'd assume that daughter had written all of it and so didn't know where the father was. Sadly in this day and age that wouldn't be uncommon.
Errrr.... It reads like it was posted or copied from the daughter. As there is nothing obvious to show where that ends and the poster has possibly added his/her comment you'd assume that daughter had written all of it and so didn't know where the father was. Sadly in this day and age that wouldn't be uncommon.
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In reply to Climbingspike:
In youe proflie pic you have a passing resemblance to the guy in the black and white picture, re the eye brows and nose being similar, the eye brows especially.
In youe proflie pic you have a passing resemblance to the guy in the black and white picture, re the eye brows and nose being similar, the eye brows especially.
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In reply to Timmd: I guess you mean the photo of the four DMM originators. No I'm not there but I suppose Fred looked similar, with the long hair and moustache, that was the fashion back then.
In reply to fmck:
Sat here with Denny at the moment. He has just told me DMM stands for Denny Marsdin Moorhouse. End of story!
Sat here with Denny at the moment. He has just told me DMM stands for Denny Marsdin Moorhouse. End of story!
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In reply to Stan Lowe:
Well although the same conclusion was reached above (eventually) it's nice to have it confirmed definitively.
Well although the same conclusion was reached above (eventually) it's nice to have it confirmed definitively.
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In reply to Stan Lowe:
Thanks. I wasn't really losing any sleep over it but a month down the line we know for certain.
> Sat here with Denny at the moment. He has just told me DMM stands for Denny Marsdin Moorhouse. End of story!
Thanks. I wasn't really losing any sleep over it but a month down the line we know for certain.
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In reply to Stan Lowe:
Marsdin? Almost everyone else (including someone purporting to be his daughter) seems to think it is Marsden, can you confirm, for the record, once and for all... ?
Marsdin? Almost everyone else (including someone purporting to be his daughter) seems to think it is Marsden, can you confirm, for the record, once and for all... ?
In reply to EddInaBox:
Marsdin deffo. Not Marsden as in Jerry and the Pacemakers.Although as we are all getting on now,Denny and the Pacemakers has a certain ring to it!
Marsdin deffo. Not Marsden as in Jerry and the Pacemakers.Although as we are all getting on now,Denny and the Pacemakers has a certain ring to it!
In reply to Stan Lowe: If differentiating between I and E in Marsdin You should also be aware of the difference between J and G
Gerry and the Pacemakers
Gerry and the Pacemakers
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