In reply to daveyji: (grid ref 223 425) try this place ("WERN ISAF)walking distance from llangollen town and a very short drive or walk to "trevor rocks" (a vast array of quality sport routes and some trad.).the camp site and crags can be found by xssing over the CANAL bridge high up out of town (not far from the ruined castle which is also a good place to visit).ive stayed there, toilets/showers etc .i think the eisteddford is on at the moment so the town will also be very lively.enjoy