Survey on ML and WGL Awards

© Andy Say

As part of a review of ML and WGL Awards the Mountain Leader Training Boards have launched a survey of award holders (and aspiring holders). Are the awards still fit for purpose, or are changes needed? Have your say.

Navigation practise  © Andy Say
Navigation practise
© Andy Say

Back in 1964 the MLTB was set up to provide a basic qualification in mountain leadership by the CCPR and the BMC. Almost simultaneously, north of the border, the Scottish MLTB was created for the same purpose. Both organisations ran a qualification called the 'Mountainwalking Leader Training Scheme'.

Since those early days over 18,000 people have completed their summer ML assessment up and down the UK (each home nation has its own training board now) and the registrations from candidates keep rolling in – 2,400 in 2011 alone. The syllabus too has evolved; there is much more emphasis on the 'softer skills' of leadership and knowledge of, and enthusiasm for, the mountain and hill environment for example.

In the late 90's it was recognised that the ML might not be a perfect 'fit' with people who might only want to work in areas such as Dartmoor, the Pennines or the Dark Peak. So in 2001 the Walking Group Leader Award was born. Essentially those elements of the ML syllabus that were relevant were adapted to the appropriate environment and elements such as wild country expeditioning and steep ground ropework were stripped out. In the ten years since the launch of the WGL around 2,500 people have attended assessment for the WGL.

Now the Mountain Training Boards are engaging in a review of the awards: are they still 'fit for purpose'; are there changes that need to be made; can the two awards be incorporated into a single framework for 'walking leaders'? After considerable discussion by members of the training boards and their staff it's time to ask the wider world of mountaineering and hillwalking what it thinks. We have launched a survey to gauge the opinion of these awards from the people who hold them (or might aspire to hold them) and its results will be fed into the review which will report by the end of the year.

The survey can be found here. Your feedback is appreciated.


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3 Apr, 2012
Andy, that's just made me realise how out of date I am (have had very little involvement in awards since having kids....so 6 years or so). I notice some providers are now offering a WGL -> ML conversion - is this now available as a formal training (ie automatically eligible to do a ML assessment)? Is it registered as a full length ML training but only marketed to those already have WGL? Or is it a "do the conversion and then apply for exemption from ML training"? Also, what the current position on use of GPS - is it now taught to some extent? Hope that makes sense! And I'm probably being lazy and should just read the latest guidance notes. Will do the questionnaire in a bit....
3 Apr, 2012
Done, although could have done with an any other comments section. The reason I say this is that their seems to be a problem where some assessors only accept specfic area as QMD's ie scotland alone or require days in certain areas when the hand book has a much broader defination and does not give this requirement. And as a candadate this can lead to fail. On logged experiance even though according to the hand book you have meet the requirement.
3 Apr, 2012
Carolyn, With regard to the WGL to ML courses the idea is that a shortened ML training course can cover the syllabus areas not included in the WGL (which you must have passed). Whilst numbers are pretty low for that 'conversion' at present (which means that many providers will only run fairly ad hoc courses for specific groups) the feeling is that if we can show a clear progression route then maybe more people would take the opportunity. People doing the 'conversion' after having passed a WGL are considered to have completed a 'full' ML training so don't need to apply for exemption. GPS - 'The use of navigation aids such as global positioning systems and altimeters should be discussed.' One of the survey questions does touch on this.
3 Apr, 2012
Ross, Noted. Andy
3 Apr, 2012
Cheers. Certainly when I had more involvement it was seen as something that was needed - that was leaders with a youth organisation, mainly wanting to run DofE. Most had aspirations to work in mountainous areas, but only had the personal experience for WGL. The lack of an obvious conversion route was seen as an issue (cost and time), although I suspect in reality relatively few would have ever gone on to gain the necessary personal experience to convert to ML. Actually, a wild camping module for WGL might have been equally useful - in fact, I think the organisation may have done an in house one. Anyhow, I'll find somewhere to stick that into the questionnaire!
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