55m, 2 pitches.

Rockfax Description
Another Pass classic. The top pitch requires a certain love of wide cracks. Start at a corner by a small tree, 4m right of Dives/Better Things.
1) 4c, 32m. Climb the corner, then head right over vegetated ground to The Forest.
2) 4b, 25m. Follow the wide and sustained corner-crack to the top. Protection is a bit fiddly without very big cams, and the whole thing is awkward. © Rockfax

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Pete_Frost 20 Sep, 2020 Show βeta
βeta: Definitely take at least one large cam (Black Diamond 4, DMM Dragon 6) to push up ahead of yourself on the top crack. Then you'll enjoy the route. The inner crack has poor, flared placements at large intervals which probably wouldn't help much if you fell. Choose life: choose big cams.
 
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βeta: Definitely take at least one large cam (Black Diamond 4, DMM Dragon 6) to push up ahead of yourself on the top crack. Then you'll enjoy the route. The inner crack has poor, flared placements at large intervals which probably wouldn't help much if you fell. Choose life: choose big cams.
brian watson 13 Sep, 2020 Show βeta
βeta: P2 does take normal gear but as previously mentioned, fiddlely to place, theres a small crack on the right wall inside the big crack.
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βeta: P2 does take normal gear but as previously mentioned, fiddlely to place, theres a small crack on the right wall inside the big crack.
Sparrowface 4 Aug, 2020 Show βeta
βeta: Very large cams (e.g. Camelot size 4+) needed for the second pitch (in the wide crack).
 
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βeta: Very large cams (e.g. Camelot size 4+) needed for the second pitch (in the wide crack).
Misha 1 Sep, 2019 Show βeta
βeta: P2 does have conventional gear but some is fiddly to place as it’s in a much smaller crack which is inside the main crack, on the right hand side - the placements are blind so require a lot of care. Yellow and big blue cams still needed for the start but anything bigger isn’t essential as long as you’re happy at the grade and style of climbing.
 
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βeta: P2 does have conventional gear but some is fiddly to place as it’s in a much smaller crack which is inside the main crack, on the right hand side - the placements are blind so require a lot of care. Yellow and big blue cams still needed for the start but anything bigger isn’t essential as long as you’re happy at the grade and style of climbing.
Liz.Morrison 3 Jul, 2019 Show βeta
βeta: Wide parallel crack on second pitch requires a size 6 cam, not much protection without. 2 large cams works best, shimmying the first one up the first pitch to a construction with no gear. Then above that climb place the next can a metre or two above the hollow that interrupts the crack: careful it's slightly too narrow for the cam to close to the base, climb a little bit higher before you try the cam. Shift the cam up as you go- good luck!
 
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βeta: Wide parallel crack on second pitch requires a size 6 cam, not much protection without. 2 large cams works best, shimmying the first one up the first pitch to a construction with no gear. Then above that climb place the next can a metre or two above the hollow that interrupts the crack: careful it's slightly too narrow for the cam to close to the base, climb a little bit higher before you try the cam. Shift the cam up as you go- good luck!

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Grade: VS 5a ***
(Idwal Slabs (aka Cwm Idwal))
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