In reply to Mark Bannon:
Yeah doing a winter route on the Dubh Loch is special, and few places compare..... the ephemeral nature of the routes, being there on THE day, just getting to the route, then to hope that conditions are what they seem..... personally, it would be quite something to catch Golaith in nick and see up close what Andy and Neil experienced.
Only other venue I've finish a route and thought 'now I can retire' was Giants Wall on Beinn Bhan, which was an inspiring place to another sadly lost hero, MM. Maybe I would say the same after doing a route on Atlantic Wall, Foinaven or Beinn Lair....
Once in a lifetime routes and lost heroes, what a way start thinking about winter......