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Sir Chris Bonington took the Olympic torch up Snowdon yesterday, proving that that he can still climb in fine style in a fetching white tracksuit ensemble. Local climber and photographer Mark Reeves has sent us a few pictures of the event.Read more at http://www.ukclimbing.com/news/item.php?id=67153
In reply to UKC News: What time was he up there? I was on top at 1 ish (oblivious to the fact the flame was going to the summit the same day!)
In reply to UKC News: I am a huge fan of Sir Chris, he has done so much for climbing over the years and he was a great supporter of a sponsored climbing event I organised way back in 92. So I hope he won't mind me saying that I couldn't help but think of Gandalf when I saw that photo. Standing there saying to those with drills and bolts...."You shall not pass"....or should that be "You shall not Pen-y-Pass"
Seriously though I'm chuffed to see him holding it aloft.
Seriously though I'm chuffed to see him holding it aloft.
In reply to UKC News:
Sorry, this Olympic games is so full of corruption and mendacity I don't understand why someone like Sir Chris even came any where close...
Sorry, this Olympic games is so full of corruption and mendacity I don't understand why someone like Sir Chris even came any where close...
In reply to Gordonbp: Maybe he was payed by a burger/fizzy drink company to hold it aloft
In reply to Gordonbp:
Having heard him speak quite movingly on the summit of snowdon, I think it is because he can see through the tedious cynicism of people such as you to the true olympic spirit.
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> Sorry, this Olympic games is so full of corruption and mendacity I don't understand why someone like Sir Chris even came any where close...
> Sorry, this Olympic games is so full of corruption and mendacity I don't understand why someone like Sir Chris even came any where close...
Having heard him speak quite movingly on the summit of snowdon, I think it is because he can see through the tedious cynicism of people such as you to the true olympic spirit.
In reply to Robert Durran:
Good point.
I think I will be more optimistic about the Olympics now.
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Good point.
I think I will be more optimistic about the Olympics now.
In reply to Robert Durran:
But unfortunately the "true Olympic spirit" isn't present here thanks to Coe and his cronies....
But unfortunately the "true Olympic spirit" isn't present here thanks to Coe and his cronies....
In reply to Robert Durran:
And he is a climbing athlete after all.
I thought you were our very own (not very) tedious cynic on UKC? You must have got out of bed on the right side today!
> Having heard him speak quite movingly on the summit of snowdon, I think it is because he can see through the tedious cynicism of people such as you to the true olympic spirit.
And he is a climbing athlete after all.
I thought you were our very own (not very) tedious cynic on UKC? You must have got out of bed on the right side today!
In reply to UKC News: the Olympic cronies expect all professional musicians to perform and play for free, whilst at the same time accepting sponsorship from companies who normally require music as a soundtrack to their corporate advertising. It's a shame that the true spirit as been replaced with profit for all those involved apart from true Olympians
In reply to TobyA:
No, just a very fine mountaineer and the very acceptable face of British mountaineering.
I may be vociferously cynical about (mainly) commercialism in climbing, but not about much else.
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> And he is a climbing athlete after all.
> And he is a climbing athlete after all.
No, just a very fine mountaineer and the very acceptable face of British mountaineering.
> I thought you were our very own (not very) tedious cynic on UKC? You must have got out of bed on the right side today!
I may be vociferously cynical about (mainly) commercialism in climbing, but not about much else.
In reply to The Big Man: For me, the unneccessary destruction of the Manor Gardens Allottments set the tone for the subsequent feeding frenzy. When it was awarded to the UK, and particularly in the wake of the London Tube bombings, I was genuinely excited - I thought this would be a wonderful thing for the UK. The subsequent mendacity and greed has left me, well, disillusioned doesn't really cover it
In reply to Gordonbp: That's a bit rough don't you think?
Coe and his 'cronies' brought the olympics to the UK and have little choice but to seek revenue streams to pay for the thing because this is how WE in the west choose to live. Blaming him is a bit rich.
Yes, it's a bit galling to see McDogburger as the official olympic food..... but underneath it all, the games are still about individuals wanting to get out there and do their best.
So ner.
Coe and his 'cronies' brought the olympics to the UK and have little choice but to seek revenue streams to pay for the thing because this is how WE in the west choose to live. Blaming him is a bit rich.
Yes, it's a bit galling to see McDogburger as the official olympic food..... but underneath it all, the games are still about individuals wanting to get out there and do their best.
So ner.
In reply to Gordonbp:
Coe is a very fine Olympian. Why are you so cynical?
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> But unfortunately the "true Olympic spirit" isn't present here thanks to Coe and his cronies....
> But unfortunately the "true Olympic spirit" isn't present here thanks to Coe and his cronies....
Coe is a very fine Olympian. Why are you so cynical?
In reply to Robert Durran:
Coe must be a pretty good administrator as well, given what has happened to the economy since we first won the bid.
Coe must be a pretty good administrator as well, given what has happened to the economy since we first won the bid.
In reply to Robert Durran:
Do you want a list?
Visa cards being the ONLY way to buy a ticket - if you didn't have one then you had to apply for one:
Building new facilities which will be immediately torn down again afterwards when we already have international-standard facilities in existence. Bisley for shooting and either Badminton or Burghley for equestrian events for example. I'm sure there are others:
Buying a fleet of BMW cars to ferry "VIPs" around:
And just HOW many "support" vehicles does it take to backup one Olympic torch? EIGHT?
Do you want a list?
Visa cards being the ONLY way to buy a ticket - if you didn't have one then you had to apply for one:
Building new facilities which will be immediately torn down again afterwards when we already have international-standard facilities in existence. Bisley for shooting and either Badminton or Burghley for equestrian events for example. I'm sure there are others:
Buying a fleet of BMW cars to ferry "VIPs" around:
And just HOW many "support" vehicles does it take to backup one Olympic torch? EIGHT?
In reply to Gordonbp:
And actually it's not eight - it's - wait for it.....FORTY SEVEN!!!!! Totally absurd!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2147684/How-vehicles-does-escort-Ol...
> And just HOW many "support" vehicles does it take to backup one Olympic torch? EIGHT?>
And actually it's not eight - it's - wait for it.....FORTY SEVEN!!!!! Totally absurd!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2147684/How-vehicles-does-escort-Ol...
In reply to Gordonbp:
You rant about the Olympics and then provide a link to the Daily Hate. Do you expect to be taken seriously?!
Back to the OP - great shots on top of Snowdon (or whatever it is meant to be called nowadays). Sir CB looking great.
You rant about the Olympics and then provide a link to the Daily Hate. Do you expect to be taken seriously?!
Back to the OP - great shots on top of Snowdon (or whatever it is meant to be called nowadays). Sir CB looking great.
In reply to ChrisJD: It was a great atmosphere up there.. apart from the Midges.. and CB seemed really taken by it all, still a fit old guy, had a little trot.. it was all very staged for the press but great to see so many p there, loads of kids etc.
Still not happy the train was used but good call on Bonnington, a nice gesture.
I was a nit unsure how much buy in they would get off the welsh, especially up north, thinking it could be a bit of an embarrassment parading a torch around empty streets but there was genuine interest and excitement around it all..
Lucky with the weather too..
Still not happy the train was used but good call on Bonnington, a nice gesture.
I was a nit unsure how much buy in they would get off the welsh, especially up north, thinking it could be a bit of an embarrassment parading a torch around empty streets but there was genuine interest and excitement around it all..
Lucky with the weather too..
In reply to Craig Smith:
I was thinking more like Jimmy Saville !
Hope his shell suit wasn't flammable - that would have been a terrible way to go...
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I was thinking more like Jimmy Saville !
Hope his shell suit wasn't flammable - that would have been a terrible way to go...
In reply to Robert Durran:
Maybe Chris, like you, is a bit naive in supporting these stupidly expensive corporate games. The Olympic spirit is dead and buried in £9,600,000,000 (and counting). Glad I wasn't there.
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Maybe Chris, like you, is a bit naive in supporting these stupidly expensive corporate games. The Olympic spirit is dead and buried in £9,600,000,000 (and counting). Glad I wasn't there.
In reply to gsum: Spot on.
In reply to Wonko The Sane:
I think those who 'blame' Coe are actually more concerned about the revenue streams he's organised to stream into his own tax-efficient back pocket, oleaginous grasping greedy tory arse that he is.
> Coe and his 'cronies' brought the olympics to the UK and have little choice but to seek revenue streams to pay for the thing because this is how WE in the west choose to live. Blaming him is a bit rich.
I think those who 'blame' Coe are actually more concerned about the revenue streams he's organised to stream into his own tax-efficient back pocket, oleaginous grasping greedy tory arse that he is.
In reply to gsum:
Are you calling Sir CB naive?
Well educated, soldier, mountaineer, BMC President, author and Knight. Hardly a candidate for being naive.
Or is the name calling because he doesn't agree with your views? Now that would be childish, wouldn't it.
Are you calling Sir CB naive?
Well educated, soldier, mountaineer, BMC President, author and Knight. Hardly a candidate for being naive.
Or is the name calling because he doesn't agree with your views? Now that would be childish, wouldn't it.
In reply to UKC News:
As much as I admire Sir Chris, am surprise that they shipped him down from Cumbria, when they had Britain's greatest ever climber a couple of miles away. Maybe Joe didn't fancy it!
As much as I admire Sir Chris, am surprise that they shipped him down from Cumbria, when they had Britain's greatest ever climber a couple of miles away. Maybe Joe didn't fancy it!
In reply to ChrisJD: OK, the word 'naive' was incorrect. I find it a little strange that such a brilliant mountaineer and countryside lover as Chris Bonnington should support something that has diverted so many much needed funds away from the National Parks and similar organisations. These organisation benefit the whole country. Look at where that obscene amount of money is going; to junk food manufacturers and to facilities that will benefit the few who live in a corner of London.
In reply to gsum:
I thought that MacDonalds and Coca Cola were sponsors, so surely the money is coming from them, not going to them.
> Look at where that obscene amount of money is going; to junk food manufacturers and to facilities that will benefit the few who live in a corner of London.
I thought that MacDonalds and Coca Cola were sponsors, so surely the money is coming from them, not going to them.
In reply to gsum:
I don't think you have the funding concept worked out, have you ? It isn't a fixed pot of crisp fivers that has to be shared out. Even without the olympics there is no guarantee that any extra money would be diverted towards the national parks.
I don't think you have the funding concept worked out, have you ? It isn't a fixed pot of crisp fivers that has to be shared out. Even without the olympics there is no guarantee that any extra money would be diverted towards the national parks.
In reply to gsum:
Yes, the Olympics is expensive, but then it is a massive event which brings a huge amount of pleasure and entertainment to vast numbers of people. You may not like it, but I really wish you would just shut the f*** up and let other people have their bit of fun. Yes I know you probably object to making a small contriubution to it in your taxes, but I am sure there are many things we fund through taxation which lots of people aren't particularly bothered about - most are just gracious enough to accept that that is the way the system works for the common good.
Try actually watching some of the events. You are wrong. The Olympics will be fantastic.
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> Maybe Chris, like you, is a bit naive in supporting these stupidly expensive corporate games.
Yes, the Olympics is expensive, but then it is a massive event which brings a huge amount of pleasure and entertainment to vast numbers of people. You may not like it, but I really wish you would just shut the f*** up and let other people have their bit of fun. Yes I know you probably object to making a small contriubution to it in your taxes, but I am sure there are many things we fund through taxation which lots of people aren't particularly bothered about - most are just gracious enough to accept that that is the way the system works for the common good.
> The Olympic spirit is dead and buried.
Try actually watching some of the events. You are wrong. The Olympics will be fantastic.
In reply to deepsoup:
Perhaps you would like to provide the evidence to justify this particularly nasty comment. Coe has and still is, I am sure, putting in a vast amount of admirable work to make the games the success they will be. We sdhould count ourselves lucky to have on of the greatest high profile athletes ever capable of pulling this thing off.
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> I think those who 'blame' Coe are actually more concerned about the revenue streams he's organised to stream into his own tax-efficient back pocket, oleaginous grasping greedy tory arse that he is.
Perhaps you would like to provide the evidence to justify this particularly nasty comment. Coe has and still is, I am sure, putting in a vast amount of admirable work to make the games the success they will be. We sdhould count ourselves lucky to have on of the greatest high profile athletes ever capable of pulling this thing off.
In reply to gsum:
Perhaps, unlike you, he can see the bigger picture
He knows he has inspired many people to take up climbing, so perhaps he can see the inspirational benefits of the Olympics
Perhaps, unlike you, he can see the bigger picture
He knows he has inspired many people to take up climbing, so perhaps he can see the inspirational benefits of the Olympics
In reply to The New NickB:
No, Joe Brown, legend that he is, is not the public figurehead of British Climbing and Mountaineering and has no desire to be. CB is perfect for the job.
No, Joe Brown, legend that he is, is not the public figurehead of British Climbing and Mountaineering and has no desire to be. CB is perfect for the job.
In reply to Gordonbp:
Haha, I finally found someone that not only reads it, but takes it seriously!
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Haha, I finally found someone that not only reads it, but takes it seriously!
In reply to Robert Durran:
It was a particularly vitriolic libel, wasn't it ?
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It was a particularly vitriolic libel, wasn't it ?
In reply to Robert Durran: Oh you naive man. One of the incidental benefits of being an Olympic sponsor is that you gain the sole right to sell your product within the Olympic venues. Spectators will not be allowed to bring their own drinks in, but will be able to purchase Heineken at £4.20 for a 330ml bottle, Coca-Cola bottled water for £1.60 and tea (not sure who the sponsor is) for £2.
In reply to John2:
Ok. So its a deal: the Olympics gets funded, Coca Cola gets sales. Possibly a little bit distasteful, but if the alternative is more taxpayer's money, it's something I can probably live with in order to see the Olympics funded.
> (In reply to Robert Durran) Oh you naive man. One of the incidental benefits of being an Olympic sponsor is that you gain the sole right to sell your product within the Olympic venues. Spectators will not be allowed to bring their own drinks in, but will be able to purchase Heineken at £4.20 for a 330ml bottle, Coca-Cola bottled water for £1.60 and tea (not sure who the sponsor is) for £2.
Ok. So its a deal: the Olympics gets funded, Coca Cola gets sales. Possibly a little bit distasteful, but if the alternative is more taxpayer's money, it's something I can probably live with in order to see the Olympics funded.
In reply to John2:
That may well be true, but it doesn't relate in any way to the statement Robert has asked Deepsoup to supports with evidence.
> (In reply to Robert Durran) Oh you naive man. One of the incidental benefits of being an Olympic sponsor is that you gain the sole right to sell your product within the Olympic venues. Spectators will not be allowed to bring their own drinks in, but will be able to purchase Heineken at £4.20 for a 330ml bottle, Coca-Cola bottled water for £1.60 and tea (not sure who the sponsor is) for £2.
That may well be true, but it doesn't relate in any way to the statement Robert has asked Deepsoup to supports with evidence.
In reply to UKC News: I'm with MR Durran on this one.
I also think that people wear cynicism like a badge these days. It takes more of you to see the positives in this world and 'Being scornful of human endeavour' is both easy and cheap. There is no one project I have heard of that has not had some examples of human failings within them, whether greed, corruption or plain not doing a good enough job it doesn't denigrate the entire project to the level of scorn people are piling on the Olympics and let's not forget the Paralympics.
I think the Olympics will be great, some of it will completely pass me by and some will even make me laugh. Good luck Team GB.
I also think that people wear cynicism like a badge these days. It takes more of you to see the positives in this world and 'Being scornful of human endeavour' is both easy and cheap. There is no one project I have heard of that has not had some examples of human failings within them, whether greed, corruption or plain not doing a good enough job it doesn't denigrate the entire project to the level of scorn people are piling on the Olympics and let's not forget the Paralympics.
I think the Olympics will be great, some of it will completely pass me by and some will even make me laugh. Good luck Team GB.
In reply to John2: It's the same at festivals.
In reply to Robert Durran: Well said that man! You really did get out of bed on the right side today!
In reply to UKC News:
I'm quite pleased that the great Sir Christopher Boddington took the train up. I mean, why walk when you can go on the Choo Choo?
I'm quite pleased that the great Sir Christopher Boddington took the train up. I mean, why walk when you can go on the Choo Choo?
In reply to GrahamD:
It was. Don't misunderstand me though, I mean only the most profound disrespect.
> It was a particularly vitriolic libel, wasn't it ?
It was. Don't misunderstand me though, I mean only the most profound disrespect.
In reply to Robert Durran: Personally I wouldn't pay 4.2 pence for 330 ml of Heineken, but I agree the money has to come from somewhere. It's hardly refusing to run on a Sunday though, is it?
In reply to John2:
Maybe. Well actually I'd be pretty pissed off if Usain Bolt refused to run in the 100m final in London because of some silly religious dogma, devaluing the race as a spectacle and the gold medal for the usurping winner.
> (In reply to Robert Durran) I agree the money has to come from somewhere. It's hardly refusing to run on a Sunday though, is it?
Maybe. Well actually I'd be pretty pissed off if Usain Bolt refused to run in the 100m final in London because of some silly religious dogma, devaluing the race as a spectacle and the gold medal for the usurping winner.
In reply to TobyA:
That might be because I had a fantastic time in Skye last weekend and am off there again tomorrow!
Actually, I've been thinking about what a star Coe is. His 800m world record was one of the truly great enduring records, his rivalry with Ovett entertained and inspired a generation, and, best of all, his victory in the 1984 Olympic 1500m final against Ovett and the odds after blowing his stronger event, the 800m, must be one of the all time great Olympic moments - the iconic photograph of him crossing the line, the agony and ecstasy on his face more or less defining the Olympic ideal, is for me one of the most memorable images of the twentieth century. Now, not least thanks to Coe, there will surely be some comparably brilliant moments in London.
I can't wait for the Olympics (oh well, actually I'll be in Lofoten for the duration.....never mind.....)
> (In reply to Robert Durran) Well said that man! You really did get out of bed on the right side today!
That might be because I had a fantastic time in Skye last weekend and am off there again tomorrow!
Actually, I've been thinking about what a star Coe is. His 800m world record was one of the truly great enduring records, his rivalry with Ovett entertained and inspired a generation, and, best of all, his victory in the 1984 Olympic 1500m final against Ovett and the odds after blowing his stronger event, the 800m, must be one of the all time great Olympic moments - the iconic photograph of him crossing the line, the agony and ecstasy on his face more or less defining the Olympic ideal, is for me one of the most memorable images of the twentieth century. Now, not least thanks to Coe, there will surely be some comparably brilliant moments in London.
I can't wait for the Olympics (oh well, actually I'll be in Lofoten for the duration.....never mind.....)
In reply to Gordonbp: Its people like you who would moan even if u won £100 million on the lottery. Coe and his people have work wonders getting the games here why cant we enjoy them for a change and have some fun in the UK. Think of all the UK competitors who have worked for years for this being able to represent their country at home, I wont see the games in the uk in my life time again. So shut the F*** up and enjoy the summer of the games.
In reply to stuart58: billions of pounds spent. Current recession. Hint.
In reply to Juran CoC: The Olympics caused a recession?
In reply to Sir Chasm: It is a hint as to why people don't like the olympics. People are poorer than they have been for decades and are now having to fund a set of games that only the minority will enjoy and will undoubtedly leave the country in a worse situation.
Look what happened in Greece and China. And yes, the Olympics probably have made people even more scared of investing in new businesses. We will be left with billions of pounds worth of useless stadiums and thousands of people who have had to leave their homes due to rent hikes.
You might say it's people like me dooming the olympics, but Britain has a history of being chronically incapable of organising anything. And that's before you get into the finer details and questions as to why we are making the rest of the UK even poorer to bring in even more wealth to london.
Look what happened in Greece and China. And yes, the Olympics probably have made people even more scared of investing in new businesses. We will be left with billions of pounds worth of useless stadiums and thousands of people who have had to leave their homes due to rent hikes.
You might say it's people like me dooming the olympics, but Britain has a history of being chronically incapable of organising anything. And that's before you get into the finer details and questions as to why we are making the rest of the UK even poorer to bring in even more wealth to london.
In reply to Juran CoC:
Would you care to elaborate on the claim of us being "chronically incapble of organising anything."
Examples please?
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> You might say it's people like me dooming the olympics, but Britain has a history of being chronically incapable of organising anything. And that's before you get into the finer details and questions as to why we are making the rest of the UK even poorer to bring in even more wealth to london.
Would you care to elaborate on the claim of us being "chronically incapble of organising anything."
Examples please?
In reply to Juran CoC: People don't like the Olympics? I guess it's going to be nice and quiet in London this summer.
In reply to Rampikino:
A few examples of inabilities in organising the olympics and the past two governments' failure to organise the most simple of policies. No point discussing it really- It's going to happen. Just wait and see.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labours-computer-blunders-cos...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/may/31/coalition-u-turns-full-list
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/gymnastics/16598867
http://goldnews.bullionvault.com/interest_rates_010520121
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/8844553/Failure-to-solve...
A few examples of inabilities in organising the olympics and the past two governments' failure to organise the most simple of policies. No point discussing it really- It's going to happen. Just wait and see.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labours-computer-blunders-cos...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/may/31/coalition-u-turns-full-list
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/gymnastics/16598867
http://goldnews.bullionvault.com/interest_rates_010520121
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/8844553/Failure-to-solve...
In reply to Juran CoC: I'm confused, on the one hand you say Britain can't organise anything and on the other you say the Olympics are going to happen. Make your mind up, which is it?
In reply to Juran CoC:
i'm sure you could do it much better. please stand for election, i would like to vote for someone who knows all the answers
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> A few examples of inabilities in organising the olympics and the past two governments' failure to organise the most simple of policies. No point discussing it really- It's going to happen. Just wait and see.
i'm sure you could do it much better. please stand for election, i would like to vote for someone who knows all the answers
In reply to Robert Durran:
The whole Ovett Coe Cram period was an amazing time in GB athletics.
> Actually, I've been thinking about what a star Coe is. His 800m world record was one of the truly great enduring records, his rivalry with Ovett entertained and inspired a generation
The whole Ovett Coe Cram period was an amazing time in GB athletics.
In reply to Juran CoC:
So the Manchester 2002 Commonwealth Games and the Manchester Velodrome were/are both failures then?
> Britain has a history of being chronically incapable of organising anything.
So the Manchester 2002 Commonwealth Games and the Manchester Velodrome were/are both failures then?
In reply to Juran CoC: do you not get the idea of fiscal stimulus or do you actually believe austerity is working?
In reply to TobyA: We bid for the Olympics all those years ago because we were prescient enough to know we'd need some fiscal stimulation following a worldwide crash? Wow!
In reply to above:
Even though it will be enjoyable watching it on the telly, the vast cost of the thing deserves at least a bit of comment in this "age of austerity". It seems a bit ironic with a torch on Snowdon that the cost of the games may be getting on for the entire Devolved spending in Wales last year. There is also the "olympic legacy" - the olympic park is huge, and it will be interesting to see what will become of it other than a concrete wasteland, let alone the ongoing cost of maintaining it all.
Even though it will be enjoyable watching it on the telly, the vast cost of the thing deserves at least a bit of comment in this "age of austerity". It seems a bit ironic with a torch on Snowdon that the cost of the games may be getting on for the entire Devolved spending in Wales last year. There is also the "olympic legacy" - the olympic park is huge, and it will be interesting to see what will become of it other than a concrete wasteland, let alone the ongoing cost of maintaining it all.
In reply to Sir Chasm: of course not, but at least Krugman types argue such spending is better than not spending.
In reply to ChrisJD:
It did facilitate City winning the title this season, which isn't a good thing.
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It did facilitate City winning the title this season, which isn't a good thing.
In reply to TobyA:
I liked Krugman's comment that austerity policy is "like medieval doctors who thought you could treat a patient by bleeding".
I liked Krugman's comment that austerity policy is "like medieval doctors who thought you could treat a patient by bleeding".
In reply to Juran CoC:
Very, very lame.
The Olympics are going to be excellent. In fact they already are. We had the torch come through the region this week and it generated a huge positive boost.
Seriously, go hibernate or something.
Very, very lame.
The Olympics are going to be excellent. In fact they already are. We had the torch come through the region this week and it generated a huge positive boost.
Seriously, go hibernate or something.
In reply to UKC News:
Don't you think Mr. Bonnington cuts a fine "Gandalph"-ian figure with his white beard and staff-like torch.
With the Olympic theme one might even go as far as a Lord of the Rings....ah-em!
Good on ya Chris, Swifter, Higher,Stronger.
Don't you think Mr. Bonnington cuts a fine "Gandalph"-ian figure with his white beard and staff-like torch.
With the Olympic theme one might even go as far as a Lord of the Rings....ah-em!
Good on ya Chris, Swifter, Higher,Stronger.
In reply to birdie num num:
Psssst. It's sir Christian (unless you're thinking of someone else)
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> I'm quite pleased that the great Sir Christopher Boddington took the train up. I mean, why walk when you can go on the Choo Choo?
> I'm quite pleased that the great Sir Christopher Boddington took the train up. I mean, why walk when you can go on the Choo Choo?
Psssst. It's sir Christian (unless you're thinking of someone else)
In reply to graeme jackson:
He is, read again.
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> Psssst. It's sir Christian (unless you're thinking of someone else)
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> Psssst. It's sir Christian (unless you're thinking of someone else)
He is, read again.
In reply to graeme jackson:
Although at least two people on this thread have spelt his name wrong.
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> Psssst. It's sir Christian (unless you're thinking of someone else)
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> Psssst. It's sir Christian (unless you're thinking of someone else)
Although at least two people on this thread have spelt his name wrong.
In reply to UKC News:
I must confess that despite being a cynical old hack, despite thinking that a lot of the Olympic peripherals are just a commercial carry-on and a palaver, and despite having argued elsewhere that it was a bit pathetic to see the flame go up Snowdon on the train rather than being carried all the way by a succession of runners and climbers...
I found myself oddly moved to see a clearly emotional Bonington raising the torch aloft on the summit. It was the first moment when I realised that I'm genuinely looking forward to the Olympics, hype and general hoo-ha notwithstanding.
I must confess that despite being a cynical old hack, despite thinking that a lot of the Olympic peripherals are just a commercial carry-on and a palaver, and despite having argued elsewhere that it was a bit pathetic to see the flame go up Snowdon on the train rather than being carried all the way by a succession of runners and climbers...
I found myself oddly moved to see a clearly emotional Bonington raising the torch aloft on the summit. It was the first moment when I realised that I'm genuinely looking forward to the Olympics, hype and general hoo-ha notwithstanding.
In reply to Gordon Stainforth:
Num Num feels that that neat little soundbyte could equally be applied to a policy of profligacy.
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> I liked Krugman's comment that austerity policy is "like medieval doctors who thought you could treat a patient by bleeding".
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> I liked Krugman's comment that austerity policy is "like medieval doctors who thought you could treat a patient by bleeding".
Num Num feels that that neat little soundbyte could equally be applied to a policy of profligacy.
In reply to Trangia:
Joe also seems to shun the publicity.. I've lived in or within 2 miles of Llanberis for 6 years and you never see or hear of him..
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> Chris is better known to the non climbing public than Joe
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> Chris is better known to the non climbing public than Joe
Joe also seems to shun the publicity.. I've lived in or within 2 miles of Llanberis for 6 years and you never see or hear of him..
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