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16 year old British climber George Atkinson summited Everest yesterday morning and became the youngest person to climb the 'seven summits'.Read more at http://www.ukclimbing.com/news/item.php?id=62397
In reply to UKC News: <Opens beer and popcorn waiting for the inevitably entertaining discussion that will ensue.... >
In reply to Toerag: Now that he has done all 7 peaks what's he going to do with the other 50 years ahead of him? For starters perhaps catch up on some school work
Well done all the same.
Well done all the same.
In reply to UKC News: Very impressive! Jealous much!
In reply to UKC News: Sadly he wasnt beaten up Everest by a below the knee amputee like the crown prince of mincers Bare Grills. Hopefully the plucky teen will be saved a life of crap near death TV near roads and luxury hotels like the chief scout.
ps. Out of interest did he climb the seven summits with his goretex trousers at half mast , pants on display ?
ps. Out of interest did he climb the seven summits with his goretex trousers at half mast , pants on display ?
Wish I could (or ever will be able to) afford to climb any one of these summits! (envy)
but what's he done on Grit?
In reply to nath_casper:
He's from the climbing Mecca of Surrey so clearly has money coming out of his ears (or his parents ears)
What now at 16? Oh i know doing something that his parents have not pursued and pushed him into (bring on the Sunday broadsheet supplements interviews).
Where does this end? The first pre pubescent, the first embryo?
On a less cynical note, a brilliant physical effort but it doesn't grab the attention these days that it deserves.
He's from the climbing Mecca of Surrey so clearly has money coming out of his ears (or his parents ears)
What now at 16? Oh i know doing something that his parents have not pursued and pushed him into (bring on the Sunday broadsheet supplements interviews).
Where does this end? The first pre pubescent, the first embryo?
On a less cynical note, a brilliant physical effort but it doesn't grab the attention these days that it deserves.
In reply to Zoomer:
In a way you're right - success is attributed to hard work and natural ability far too much. (I'm not saying it doesn't matter though). Opportunity does though.
Anyway, a great achievement.
In a way you're right - success is attributed to hard work and natural ability far too much. (I'm not saying it doesn't matter though). Opportunity does though.
Anyway, a great achievement.
In reply to Removed User:
Discover proper mountaineering, I hope!
Indeed, a tremendous achievement.
> Now that he has done all 7 peaks what's he going to do with the other 50 years ahead of him? For starters perhaps catch up on some school work
Discover proper mountaineering, I hope!
> Well done all the same.
Indeed, a tremendous achievement.
In reply to Dan Arkle:
What's he ever done in Scotland, more like!
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> but what's he done on Grit?
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> but what's he done on Grit?
What's he ever done in Scotland, more like!
In reply to UKC News:
Good stuff! For the cynics - it's also plausible that the 16 year old wasn't coerced by his parents and actually had his own drive, focus and ambition... everyone is built differently...
Good stuff! For the cynics - it's also plausible that the 16 year old wasn't coerced by his parents and actually had his own drive, focus and ambition... everyone is built differently...
In reply to mlt:
plau·si·ble/Adjective
1. (of an argument or statement) Seeming reasonable or probable.
This kind of plausible?
plau·si·ble/Adjective
1. (of an argument or statement) Seeming reasonable or probable.
This kind of plausible?
In reply to Mark Bull:
You mean having a rich dad?
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> Indeed, a tremendous achievement.
> Indeed, a tremendous achievement.
You mean having a rich dad?
In reply to mlt: Plausible in having his own drive focus and ambition....agree, but what has that got to do with getting the wherewithal to go to any of the summits, let alone all of them. Who applied for the permits, who booked the flights, who engaged the guides..etc? Not saying that physically managing to get up the seven summits is in any way an easy feat in itself. But, and it is a very big but, that is only a one part of it.
In reply to UKC News: While this is a fairly impressive achievement, with a blank cheque I'm pretty sure I could climb almost any mountain.
(p.s. If anyone wants to give me a blank cheque, I will happily accept it)
(p.s. If anyone wants to give me a blank cheque, I will happily accept it)
In reply to UKC News:
Did he actually do this in real life or just on the xbox?
Did he actually do this in real life or just on the xbox?
In reply to Al Evans: Rich Dads..perhaps a few in that catogary ,Henry Barber , Johnny Dawes,Ed Webster, Jerry Moffatt and more ? They had great talent but an affluent father sure did help.
In reply to UKC News:
good on the lad for acheiving his goal but it doesn't really count as his own acheivement unless he has worked to fund it himself.
|The hardest part of any big adventure is funding it in the first place.
good on the lad for acheiving his goal but it doesn't really count as his own acheivement unless he has worked to fund it himself.
|The hardest part of any big adventure is funding it in the first place.
In reply to alkira:
A little overstated. I'm not sure that all those that have raised their own funds & tried & failed, in the attempt will agree with that one .
(and what of those who have died in the attempt to climb these peaks, no one has died of fundraising(that I know of)
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> ....it doesn't really count as his own acheivement unless he has worked to fund it himself. The hardest part of any big adventure is funding it in the first place.
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> ....it doesn't really count as his own acheivement unless he has worked to fund it himself. The hardest part of any big adventure is funding it in the first place.
A little overstated. I'm not sure that all those that have raised their own funds & tried & failed, in the attempt will agree with that one .
(and what of those who have died in the attempt to climb these peaks, no one has died of fundraising(that I know of)
it doesn't really count as his own acheivement unless he has worked to fund it himself. The hardest part of any big adventure is funding it in the first place.
That's not very fair but I see your point.
Success in any walk of life is determined partly by opportunity. Adam Ondra has parents that (presumably) allow him to skip school.
Bill Gates had both rich parents and a series of 10 lucky opportunities that allowed him to gained thousands of hours of practice computer programming.
The Beatles had a lucky break that allowed them to gain thousands and thousands of hours of practice in a short period of time.
You can never separate opportunities and luck from success. Have a read of Malcolm Gladwell's Outliers.
That's not very fair but I see your point.
Success in any walk of life is determined partly by opportunity. Adam Ondra has parents that (presumably) allow him to skip school.
Bill Gates had both rich parents and a series of 10 lucky opportunities that allowed him to gained thousands of hours of practice computer programming.
The Beatles had a lucky break that allowed them to gain thousands and thousands of hours of practice in a short period of time.
You can never separate opportunities and luck from success. Have a read of Malcolm Gladwell's Outliers.
In reply to UKC News:
i've had a good few big adventures in the past 25 years and by FAR the hardest part of acheiving the goals was working the daily grind to fund them.
Once you actually have your fund set up and you get going, the adventure and fun element arrive.
Parallels in sailing are these young kids who are given yachts and cast off on an ambitious voyage. They are good sailors so this is fun for them. If they had tried working to earn the money to pay for the yacht in the first place they would know a difficult acheivement!!!
i've had a good few big adventures in the past 25 years and by FAR the hardest part of acheiving the goals was working the daily grind to fund them.
Once you actually have your fund set up and you get going, the adventure and fun element arrive.
Parallels in sailing are these young kids who are given yachts and cast off on an ambitious voyage. They are good sailors so this is fun for them. If they had tried working to earn the money to pay for the yacht in the first place they would know a difficult acheivement!!!
In reply to alkira: You wrote it so much better than one's inept effort....
In reply to UKC News:
great stuff.
what a great way to have spent your teens, better than smoking pot and playing xbox.
rich parents - all the better! what a great thing to spend your cash on, broadening your kids horizons like that.
yeah yeah its all too easy, but i remember plenty of kids from rich families getting it laid on and just blowing it on bullshit - many then getting sent to expensive unis they made nothing of then on expensive outward bound courses to rehabilitate from it!
jeez, if my kids ever come to me saying they want to climb a whole string of mountains all over the world im just pissed im not rich enough to fund it.
hes got the rest of his life to get strung out working, let him have his fun.
great stuff.
what a great way to have spent your teens, better than smoking pot and playing xbox.
rich parents - all the better! what a great thing to spend your cash on, broadening your kids horizons like that.
yeah yeah its all too easy, but i remember plenty of kids from rich families getting it laid on and just blowing it on bullshit - many then getting sent to expensive unis they made nothing of then on expensive outward bound courses to rehabilitate from it!
jeez, if my kids ever come to me saying they want to climb a whole string of mountains all over the world im just pissed im not rich enough to fund it.
hes got the rest of his life to get strung out working, let him have his fun.
I fail to see what having well off parents has to do with this, here's a youngster who's actually gone and done something useful, interesting and exciting with his teen years.
People should demonstrate a more generous spirit, and stop airing sour grapes in public. Instead of criticising, why not go out and have your own big adventures.
And if you think you need rich parents, take a look back at climbing history, it's full of more poor people doing remarkable things than rich ones!
People should demonstrate a more generous spirit, and stop airing sour grapes in public. Instead of criticising, why not go out and have your own big adventures.
And if you think you need rich parents, take a look back at climbing history, it's full of more poor people doing remarkable things than rich ones!
In reply to Goucho:
Of course he worked hard and was disciplined to do this. But he also had the opportunity. Who your parents are makes a big difference in life (regardless of genes). Opportunity is important. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Outliers-Story-Success-Malcolm-Gladwell/dp/18461412...
> I fail to see what having well off parents has to do with this, here's a youngster who's actually gone and done something useful, interesting and exciting with his teen years.
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Are you really naive to how much this would cost? It would take lots of hours to work to fund this. I'd be very surprised (and more impressed) if it was funded by him, that's a lot of time stacking shelves....>
Of course he worked hard and was disciplined to do this. But he also had the opportunity. Who your parents are makes a big difference in life (regardless of genes). Opportunity is important. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Outliers-Story-Success-Malcolm-Gladwell/dp/18461412...
> People should demonstrate a more generous spirit, and stop airing sour grapes in public. Instead of criticising, why not go out and have your own big adventures.
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> And if you think you need rich parents, take a look back at climbing history, it's full of more poor people doing remarkable things than rich ones!
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> And if you think you need rich parents, take a look back at climbing history, it's full of more poor people doing remarkable things than rich ones!
In reply to UKC News:
if it helps, and there may be variation of course, but a friend runs 7 summits trips.
clients can do the whole 7 with him and slap down a cool US$300,000ish for the lot.
thats a lot of newspapers delivered, shelves stacked and lawns mowed.
if it helps, and there may be variation of course, but a friend runs 7 summits trips.
clients can do the whole 7 with him and slap down a cool US$300,000ish for the lot.
thats a lot of newspapers delivered, shelves stacked and lawns mowed.
In reply to ice.solo: $300K!! They must have seen him coming... One is off to flip a lot of burgers....
In reply to El3ctroFuzz: I said his Dad. What does JD do for work?
In reply to James Oswald:
I'm not naive, so I take it you've not heard of sponsorship deals etc.
I think people should establish the facts regarding his funding, before making statements that's all. And irrespective of how he has been funded, it's still a great achievement for a 16 year old.
Are Henry Barber's achievements in the 70's any less impressive because they were funded by a multi-millionaire father?
Put it like this, if I were to offer to fund all your climbing activity (no matter how ambitious and extravagant) for the next 5 years, would you turn me down on the basis that your successes would be less impressive because someone else funded them?
I'm not naive, so I take it you've not heard of sponsorship deals etc.
I think people should establish the facts regarding his funding, before making statements that's all. And irrespective of how he has been funded, it's still a great achievement for a 16 year old.
Are Henry Barber's achievements in the 70's any less impressive because they were funded by a multi-millionaire father?
Put it like this, if I were to offer to fund all your climbing activity (no matter how ambitious and extravagant) for the next 5 years, would you turn me down on the basis that your successes would be less impressive because someone else funded them?
In reply to Zoomer:
I am from Surrey and neither myself or my parents have money coming out of our ears. I'm struggling to put petrol in the car for a weekend away cragging,let alone climb the 7 summits.
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> He's from the climbing Mecca of Surrey so clearly has money coming out of his ears (or his parents ears)
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People love making assumptions!>
> He's from the climbing Mecca of Surrey so clearly has money coming out of his ears (or his parents ears)
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I am from Surrey and neither myself or my parents have money coming out of our ears. I'm struggling to put petrol in the car for a weekend away cragging,let alone climb the 7 summits.
In reply to Goucho:
Not sure what is useful about climbing the seven summits...something useful would have been volunteering or donating all that money to charity. What about the environmental impact, was this considered?
Physically a great achievement but goes no further than that.
> here's a youngster who's actually gone and done something useful>
Not sure what is useful about climbing the seven summits...something useful would have been volunteering or donating all that money to charity. What about the environmental impact, was this considered?
Physically a great achievement but goes no further than that.
In reply to geordiepie:
I'm not sure what's useful about spending 3 weeks trying to master an 8 foot problem from a sitting start, on an obscure boulder on some obscure bit of moorland, but if it floats your boat?
Is climbing anything actually useful to anyone but the individual involved?
As for volunteering or donating money, I hope you practise what you preach the next time you get your wallet out for another 40 quid cam?
And as for the environmental impact, well yet again, as long as you walk or cycle to the hills every time you go out, then fair play to you.
I'm not sure what's useful about spending 3 weeks trying to master an 8 foot problem from a sitting start, on an obscure boulder on some obscure bit of moorland, but if it floats your boat?
Is climbing anything actually useful to anyone but the individual involved?
As for volunteering or donating money, I hope you practise what you preach the next time you get your wallet out for another 40 quid cam?
And as for the environmental impact, well yet again, as long as you walk or cycle to the hills every time you go out, then fair play to you.
In reply to all: There are plenty of folks out there with lots of money and loads of opportunity who don't do anything with it - This sounds like someone making the most of what they've got - takes ome drive and hard work (as well as some money) to climb mountains - good on him
In reply to Goucho:
You're absolutely right (and was the point of my post, not to get at the lad).......we all know climbing is pointless, bad for the environment and selfish but climbing achivements are still held up as something to admire, even by the non-climbing population.
You're absolutely right (and was the point of my post, not to get at the lad).......we all know climbing is pointless, bad for the environment and selfish but climbing achivements are still held up as something to admire, even by the non-climbing population.
In reply to USBRIT: Oh sorry,
Mainly he tries to well coaching sessions. Works as much as he can, and if he really cant get any work, he climbs
Tom Bunn
www.rustypeg.co.uk
Mainly he tries to well coaching sessions. Works as much as he can, and if he really cant get any work, he climbs
Tom Bunn
www.rustypeg.co.uk
In reply to alkira:
I think this will answer some of your questions:
Mark Atkinson, Partner, Deloitte & Touche, Geneva
Mark has seventeen years experience as an international tax and transfer pricing specialist having led client assignments in many countries around the world and across all industry sectors, including pharmaceutical and financial services. Mark now leads Deloitte’s Transfer Pricing Group in Switzerland. Mark is recognised as one of the top 25 Transfer Pricing Practitioners in the World in Euromoney’s “Best of the Best 2009” Expert Guide.
I think this will answer some of your questions:
Mark Atkinson, Partner, Deloitte & Touche, Geneva
Mark has seventeen years experience as an international tax and transfer pricing specialist having led client assignments in many countries around the world and across all industry sectors, including pharmaceutical and financial services. Mark now leads Deloitte’s Transfer Pricing Group in Switzerland. Mark is recognised as one of the top 25 Transfer Pricing Practitioners in the World in Euromoney’s “Best of the Best 2009” Expert Guide.
In reply to Goucho: Well Henry's talents would not have been noticed around the world if he had to stay at home and work ,you do need both talent and money.More so in those days as being fully sponsored was unknown
If I had the money, I'd spend it on something I would like to do.
I mean, the fact that he had rich parents meant that the physical effort of climbing the seven summits was irrelevant........
My word, why do people always try and put others down? Jealousy, plain boredom? UKC negativity knows no abounds.
If the naysayers were offered the money to do it, would they? No, they would just buy a bigger armchair.
I mean, the fact that he had rich parents meant that the physical effort of climbing the seven summits was irrelevant........
My word, why do people always try and put others down? Jealousy, plain boredom? UKC negativity knows no abounds.
If the naysayers were offered the money to do it, would they? No, they would just buy a bigger armchair.
In reply to no_more_scotch_eggs:
lol! Could invite all your mates round to sit on it when it is sunny outside!
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> £300,000
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> that would buy a *very* big armchair...
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> £300,000
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> that would buy a *very* big armchair...
lol! Could invite all your mates round to sit on it when it is sunny outside!
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