In reply to petellis: I think so, yeah. If I remember correctly either Climbing or Alpinist raved about the original Nanos, so I guess you won't go wrong with these if you don't mind little krabs. I wondered why they took the shrouding away on the 23s, I like shrouded gates, always make you think its a purposely designed wiregate, but I guess they need to save off 7 grs somewhere!