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So after the referendum my generation were vilified for the result and all the UKC pundits said next time round half the dodderers would be dead and a new generation would vote differently. What happened?

They're not dead yet ?

The only hope we have is in the new generation exemplified by Greta and Momentum. 

A majority of people voted for non-Brexit parties, by about 53-47.

Sadly, it wasn't a referendum.

There was an up-tick in voter registration, which was skewed a bit towards younger voters.

But, it was mostly centred around urban areas/university cities, which are Remain and/or Labour safe seats in England.  So, pretty worthless under a FPTP system for overturning Boris.  

Can't remeber who published this analysis (a few days ago), sorry.  

(glad to hear you're still alive though Jim!)

Planet's going to hell anyway.
Recent stats I've heard were, globally we need an 8% reduction now and every year for at least the next ten years.  Current data, 2% increase and accelerating.

All this political bollocks will be fried meat balls in a few years time.

seems strange giving your comment a "like" but it's just in agreement 

mebbe the politicians need to be in office longer, maybe 10 yrs, then they might consider their inactions

There's a similar "paradox" in the listening figures for Radio 4.  People notice how skewed the profile is to old people, and predict the imminent demise of Radio 4's audience. 

But it doesn't happen! Why not? Because younger people get older and become listeners, replacing the older listeners who die.  

Similarly, people's attitudes to politics, the EU, or whatever, can change as people age.  They're not (completely) fixed at age 18! 

Are you counting as "non-Brexit" a party who had a policy of having a second referendum, in which their leader would be neutral?

Clear pro-Brexit parties: 46% of the vote.

Clear anti-Brexit parties: 19% of the vote. 

I must admit it does seem virtually inconceivable that we'll be able to get a worldwide consensus that will rein climate change in. Please tell me I'm wrong.

I'm thinking the yoofquake was a bit of a non- starter.

But how many people voted Labour because they knew it was the only party with a chance of blocking BJ? So a tactical vote for a party they don't support, to block a party they actively dislike/fear.

Trouble is as we get more young voters the rest progress towards replacing and increasing the number of old dodderers.

Who'd have thought it?

Typically people get less idealistic and more Conservative as they age. Also people typically tend to get more experience and wiser as they age. 

With birth rates declining and people living longer the right side of politics should get stronger and stronger. 

However, the decline of the NHS will compensate for this at some point and I predict a swing back towards the youth vote!   Or  

Until they don't

The voting age should be raised to 30. Every society, from the family unit, to the tribal village to the great western civilisations, are led by the elders, not the naive youth. Any party advocating votes for youth is despicable.

On the other hand, ageing is associated with significant structural degeneration and cognitive impairment. Interestingly, certain right-wing perspectives/constructs appear to be associated with low intellect, whilst left-wing views are more prevalent amongst the highly educated.

Yeah, but what have the elders ever done for us?

Obviously there is a point where cognitive impairment kicks in, for some more than others but to everyone eventually

I would think that amongst the highly educated you would see a fairly equal split of views, I know that is certainly the case among the people I work with and socialise with.

You are correct though about right wind tendencies being very prevalent with the lower intellect, get rid of all the foreigners and benefits cheats being the top war cry amongst them. The irony though is most of them would never vote tory after what Maggie did to the pits and unions. I spoke to a lot of people on different work sites in South Yorkshire who were very conflicted. Normally it would be an automatic red vote but the same people also voted brexit and felt compelled to vote blue against a lifetime of hatred. 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/13/is-this-conservative-victo...

If only those 18-24 were allowed to vote, Labour would have around 600 seats.

Conversely, if only those aged 55+ were allowed then the tories would have even more than they got.

There's still a huge difference in opinion between young and old...

I’ve always found them very cordial

Yes, but apart from being cordial, what have the elders ever done for us? 

Maybe its too early for Python fans. 

The double irony is that possibly, if we’d not had thatcher would we be still burning coal to generate electricity subsidised by a hard left government??

I'd agree if we can also stop anyone over the age of 70 voting...if young adults can't decide the future direction of a nation I am not sure you can justify coffin dodgers that privilege. 

It seems harsh to punish older people for not displaying the apathy so evident in some younger people.

But of course, if it's true that there is a right leaning tendency among older people it would make sense to disenfranchise them if it will improve things for the left.

I wasn't being entirely serious but I think people aged 18-30 deserve a vote just as much as those who are at the back end of their lives.... It has nothing to do with left or right for me.

The current system is fine with all adults barring serious criminals getting a vote... 

anyone over 39 too? 

That would rule me out so no! 

Agreed, but I suspect it is scarily young; we lose approximately 5% of brain volume per decade from around the age of 40 and the prefrontal cortex (critical for executive functions) is particularly affected. 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2596698/

Absolutely there's a mix and it will vary depending on other factors (age, socioeconomic status etc) but if you compare groups (of say 40-50 year old white women) with and without degrees you will find that the graduates are (on average) more liberal. 

No doubt someone will be along shortly to claim that this is all the result of brainwashing... 

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0160289609001238

So how come all those highly educated people couldn't see the Corbyn project for the monstrous offering that it was until now and suddenly they've all woken up to reality after the low intellect working classes pointed it out to them?

That left wing views are more prevalent amongst the so called highly educated just proves they live in  a bubble.

My Dad used to work for a man with 5 degrees, he was the most stupid person he'd ever met.

can this allegation be substantiated?  And anyway there are few people who do nothing that is apparently stupid to someone

You're calling it a monstrous offering, then saying anyone who doesn't agree with that assessment is stupid. Is everyone who doesn't agree with you about anything automatically stupid?

Doesn't prove anything of the sort. You've just decided that, according to your own particular set of prejudices, because it's more convenient for you to think that way. 

According to your dad. 

By Corbyn project do you mean the man, the policy platform or both? So far as I can tell, most of the liberal educated bubble have had long-standing concerns on both scores but liked some of the policies and the overall direction enough to hold their noses. The brutal media coverage (at times justified, at times not) also muddied the waters by giving ammunition to Corbynistas around MSM bias/fake-news.  

In no way shape or form am I saying that working class people are of lower intellect. The original point I was trying to make is that there are lots of factors that sit behind voting preferences and political beliefs. Some of them are cultural, some of them are economic and some of them are biological.

Lower IQs are associated with more extreme political views and particularly with certain right-wing constructs but that doesn’t mean that people with extreme and/or right-wing views are thick.

Social tolerance requires empathy which is mediated by a whole host of cognitive functions/capabilities. Considering another perspective (cognitive empathy) requires intelligence (theory of mind) and emotional self-regulation (to make the effort). Other executive functions are required for emotional empathy. Individuals who are deficient in these areas will struggle to be tolerant of other people who are different. You see this with some socially conservative views e.g. towards gender quality or homosexuality and in some ‘liberal’ views e.g. towards conservatives. 

Sure, most people live in bubbles. I imagine in this case you mean “and therefore haven’t a clue about the real world”. To which I’d say look at Scandinavia – it is perfectly possible to run a successful, happy society along the lines of social democracy (somewhere to the left of where the UK is now).

Exception proves the rule

Low intellect group don't vote for a Labour manifesto that would benefit them = low intellect group have a low intellect. Do you just vote for who you think will win in the mistaken belief it means you were right to vote for them?

My Dad used to work for a man with 5 degrees, he was the most stupid person he'd ever met.

I guess you get it from your dad then

I think you're looking for the bbc comments section mate.