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 owlart 03 Jul 2021

I've heard people refer to certain important aspects of something as eg. the "4 pillars of biology" etc. (I made that up as an example), but I'd like to know the origin of the phrase "x pillars of y". It seems to me it might be copied from the "Five pillars of Islam", or the "pillars of Wisdom" in the Old Testament bible, but my Googling skills let me down to find out if this is true. Since everyone on UKC knows everything, does anyone have any ideas on where the phrase might have originated?

Thanks.

 Jon Stewart 03 Jul 2021
In reply to owlart:

4 pillars of covid testing.

Does that count? 

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 wintertree 03 Jul 2021
In reply to owlart:

The planet Krikkit?

 felt 03 Jul 2021
In reply to owlart:

From Iraq during the Abbasid Caliphate, the seven pilaus of rice. Through a series of scribal mistranscriptions we've got to where we are today. 

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OP owlart 03 Jul 2021
In reply to Jon Stewart:

It certainly counts as an example! Doesn't get us any closer to knowing the origins of the phrase though.

OP owlart 03 Jul 2021
In reply to felt:

I'm sure my Naan used to talk about that!

 AllanMac 03 Jul 2021
In reply to owlart:

The 80 pillocks of Westminster.

 Richard J 03 Jul 2021
In reply to owlart:

I think it's the Bible's "pillars of wisdom" - specifically "Wisdom has built her house, She has set up her seven pillars." (Proverbs 9:1).  Famously used as the title of T.E. Lawrence's autobiography "Seven Pillars of Wisdom".

In reply to owlart:

The four pillars at the end of the universe.....

youtube.com/watch?v=4DRpYOHxEzA&

OP owlart 04 Jul 2021
In reply to Richard J:

Thanks, that's what I was kind of thinking, but was hoping someone might have some "Dictionary of phrases" or similar wich pointed definitively to an origin.

 Blue Straggler 04 Jul 2021
In reply to owlart:

You already mention the Five Pillars of Islam. These are quite likely to pre-date the English language translation of the pillars of Wisdom in the Bible; I imagine Bible translators thought that “pillars” would be a more popular word than “tenets”. I’d go with “Five Pillars of Islam” being a reasonable origin.

Unless there is something somewhere in ancient mythology about Atlas or something, but these and the Pillars of Hercules don’t relate to wisdom or other concepts really, so probably not 

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OP owlart 04 Jul 2021
In reply to Blue Straggler:

Thanks

 wintertree 04 Jul 2021
In reply to owlart, Blue Straggler & owlart:

Pillars date back to at least neolithic prehistory, and it seems like a pretty clear metaphor so I suspect its origins are lost to the sands of time.

I'd be very surprised if the phrase doesn't pre-date Christianity and Islam, perhaps an example survives in ancient Greek or Roman literature...? 

 Richard J 04 Jul 2021
In reply to wintertree:

As you say, it’s an obvious metaphor - wisdom is represented as a house (or temple) so the pillars are needed to hold the roof up. My RSV gives “hewn” as an alternative translation of the Hebrew to “set up” suggesting that the pillars are trunks of wood. The Book of Proverbs probably dates to sometime in the first half of the first millennium BC (long before either Christianity or Islam, though both regarded the Hebrew bible as a holy book and so extensively borrow its imagery). But it probably incorporates themes and sayings older than that and widespread in the ancient Near East.


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