Hills and Valleys

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 Trangia 18 Oct 2018

aln's thread on Scottish Fells got me thinking about all the different names we have for hills and valleys in the UK.

We have Fells and Dales in the north of England, and it appears Fells in parts of Scotland.

We have Hills and Batches in the Shropshire Hills.

We have Corries and Glens in Scotland, Cwms in Wales and Coombes in the West Country.

Then there are Downs and Bottoms in the South Downs.

Any more?

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Gone for good 18 Oct 2018
In reply to Trangia:

Wolds in the Cotswolds.

 Dave the Rave 18 Oct 2018
In reply to Trangia:

Moss in the Peaks

Removed User 18 Oct 2018
In reply to Trangia:

We have Dales and Dals in scotland as well. Attadale and Ulladal for examples.

Strath is a wide valley.

Tholl (hole) is occasionally used as a name for a corrie.

In reply to Dave the Rave:

'Low' is a rather nice Derbyshire/Peak one for a hill. So we have a 'High Low' near Monyash.

 Forester3 18 Oct 2018
In reply to Trangia:

> Any more?

'Laws' and 'hopes' in Northumberland...

 

 Dave the Rave 18 Oct 2018
In reply to Forester3:

Don’t forget the Dodd’s in the Lakes

Gone for good 18 Oct 2018
In reply to Gone for good:

> Wolds in the Cotswolds.

As well as the Lincolnshire Wolds and the Yorkshire Wolds. 

And the Weald which lies between the North and South Downs.

In reply to Trangia:

We've got an article series in production on this very subject. Gaelic in the landscape will be coming soon, then Welsh. I guess there's potential for one on Norse and other languages too.

 Darron 18 Oct 2018
In reply to Trangia:

Robert McFarlane’s ‘Landmarks’ is good on the language of wild places.

 

Removed User 18 Oct 2018
In reply to Forester3:

> 'Laws' and 'hopes' in Northumberland...

And all the way to Dundee: N. Berwick, Traprain, Largo and Dundee Law to name but four. Wonder how far south it goes?

 Tom Valentine 18 Oct 2018
In reply to Trangia:

Pike 

 Welsh Kate 19 Oct 2018
In reply to Tom Valentine:

Don't tell him!

 aln 19 Oct 2018
In reply to Trangia:

Bin, Ben, Beinn, Meall etc 

Lusk 19 Oct 2018
In reply to Tom Valentine:

Old Man of ...

 aln 19 Oct 2018
In reply to Dan Bailey - UKHillwalking.com:

> We've got an article series in production on this very subject.

Is my fiver in the post? 

OP Trangia 19 Oct 2018
In reply to Trangia:

Beacons 

And over the Border in Ireland, Reeks

 DerwentDiluted 19 Oct 2018
In reply to Trangia:

Tor

 Bulls Crack 19 Oct 2018
In reply to Trangia:

Deans in Durham, Northumberland and Yorkshire.

 

Within 5 miles we have a Dean,  a pike,  a hill, a vale, various dales and moors (including Bog Eggs Moor and Tom Tittiman's Ground) 

 

 wintertree 19 Oct 2018
In reply to Trangia:

Laws and Denes also appear in County Durham.

Hill names also end in Moss, Head, Hill and Top.  They can drain in to Sikes and Burns.  Side valleys may be Hopes.

Forest and Park are often attached to high ground here as a legacy of their old use as royal hunting lands.  Common is common as well.

Carrs and Plain are in the names of some of the flatter, more bog and hag ridden hills (a Durham speciality).  Carrs is shared with lowland farmland that has been drained from bog, particularly around the Bradbury area.

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 Mike Peacock 19 Oct 2018
In reply to Trangia:

Radnorshire has its dingles.

Wiltshire/Wessex also has coombes

 tlouth7 19 Oct 2018
In reply to Trangia:

In the Fens we have the Isle of Ely which is a good 20m above sea level.

Around the Norfolk Broads carr woodland is a particular habitat of swampy trees that grows when reed beds cease to be managed. It is not necessarily on high ground.

 wintertree 19 Oct 2018
In reply to Trangia:

I missed “Seat” from my list.  Sometimes I wonder who Dora was.

In reply to Trangia:

In Herts/Beds, Hoe for 'spur of a hill', e.g Sharpenhoe, Ivinghoe.

Bellie 19 Oct 2018
In reply to Bulls Crack:

Without looking at a map, I recall seeing Tom Tittiman on an OS years ago.... is it Hebden area?

Les Trois Etangs 19 Oct 2018

I like Paps.

Lusk 19 Oct 2018
In reply to aln:

Knob.

 

No, not you!  Plenty of Knobs around.

XXXX 19 Oct 2018
In reply to Mike Peacock:

I believe Wessex has a particularly fine example of a henge, but it's never been the same since Æthelwulf died.

 

 

 

 

 

 McHeath 19 Oct 2018
In reply to Trangia:

Tor, for real hills (Glastonbury, Mam) as opposed to "mere" crags (Cratcliffe, Raven)

Rigid Raider 19 Oct 2018
In reply to Trangia:

Interestingly, a valley is a coombe or cwm in Britain and in the French Alps it's a combe. I wonder how that happened?

 

 Billhook 19 Oct 2018
In reply to Trangia:

North yorkshire Moors Summits = mostly  'Moors' & the odd Hill.

Valleys =  all are Dales.

 nacnud 19 Oct 2018
In reply to Trangia:

Some other names for hills: Tor, Pen, How.

My favourite being Torpenhow Hill, literally hill-hill-hill hill.

 

 kathrync 19 Oct 2018
In reply to Dave the Rave:

> Moss in the Peaks

You see this one in Scotland too, although they tend to be boggy moorland areas rather than hills, e.g., Lenzie Moss, Flanders Moss.

In reply to Trangia:

It's properly mixed up on and to the east of Helvellyn (note the 'llyn' there).  Directly adjacent are coves, nearby are some dales, dodds, moors and a pike and a curious 'glen' too.  The manner in which the archaic survives the input from Saxons, Danes, other assorted norsemen and the desire of those first mapping the area to give everything a name and a spelling remains a persistent source of wonder . . .

T. 

 kathrync 19 Oct 2018
In reply to Trangia:

How about low points or passes on ridges?  I know these as a pass or saddle in England, a bealach in Scotland, a col in France or a bwlch in Welsh.

Similarly, ridge itself, which I have seen as crib or drum or gribbin in Welsh and aonach or druim in Scotland.

 

Removed User 19 Oct 2018
In reply to kathrync:

>

> Similarly, ridge itself, which I have seen as crib or drum or gribbin in Welsh and aonach or druim in Scotland.

Sron in Scotland as well.

 mrphilipoldham 19 Oct 2018
In reply to Gordon Stainforth:

Werneth Low near Hyde too. Just over the way is Coombes Edge, so 'coombe' isn't exclusive to the West Country. 

 kathrync 19 Oct 2018
In reply to Removed User:

> Sron in Scotland as well.

I believe that is specifically the nose of a ridge - it would typically be used to describe the tail end of a ridge where it descends to valley level and peters out.  I am happy to be corrected though!

 allanscott 19 Oct 2018
In reply to Les Trois Etangs:

most men do (allegedly)

Removed User 19 Oct 2018
In reply to Trangia:quite partial to a Sgurr, myself

 

 Wainers44 19 Oct 2018
In reply to Trangia:

In Dartmoor terms "lake" is a stream for example Deadlake. 

In reply to Removed Userena sharples:

Bideans are a more select bunch.

and spideans 

But rarest of all - lurg. There’s a big one near a cheesecake, but are there any others?

 

 McHeath 20 Oct 2018
In reply to Trangia:

What's the definition of a Rake? OED suggests an old word meaning path or groove, but that doesn't seem to fit.

Edit: just found out that there's an old Norse word "reka" meaning shovel; interestingly, that's also what "Badile" means in the eponymous Piz.

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 wercat 20 Oct 2018
In reply to Bulls Crack:

not Dene?

 wercat 20 Oct 2018
In reply to Trangia:

Raise

Knott(s)

Bell

 

 Billhook 20 Oct 2018
In reply to Trangia:

 

OK, not the UK but our next door neighbour which shares Gaelic language with Scotland.

in Eire; Cnoc, (various spellings), Slieve, Croagh, Caher

Removed User 20 Oct 2018
In reply to Trangia:

Birdie reeks

pasbury 20 Oct 2018
In reply to Trangia:

lots of bottoms scattered around the country too!

 alan moore 20 Oct 2018
In reply to Trangia:

Tumps and dingles in The Forest.

 Myfyr Tomos 20 Oct 2018
In reply to Trangia:

Cwm is Welsh for valley, cymoedd being the plural. Dyffryn is a broad valley or vale and in the north west the word Nant (stream) is also used for valley, eg Peris, Ffrancon, Conwy and Nantlle (Nant Lleu). Apart from the more common Mynydd, Craig, Moel, others you'll come across are Bryn (a small hill), Gallt (summit, but can also mean a wooded slope or area), Carnedd (cairn), Diffwys (steep slope or cliff), and Trum (ridge - leading to a summit). In southern Gwynedd, the terms Tap (rocky outcrop or cliff), Pared (a steep escarpment) and Tarren (rounded, knoll or tump) are often used. The list is endless and if you venture south of the Dyfi you enter a world with a completely different language....

 toad 20 Oct 2018
In reply to Trangia:

Dumbles. Steep sides wooded streams. Pretty much a notts only phenomena. Probably as close to unmanaged wildwood as you'll find in lowland England 

Les Trois Etangs 21 Oct 2018
In reply to Trangia:

Backside

 Toerag 22 Oct 2018
In reply to Trangia:

A 'Hougue' is a hill here in Guernsey. We don't seem to have a local word for a valley.

 Bulls Crack 22 Oct 2018
In reply to wercat:

Dean here in W Yorkshire but Dent further north

 Bulls Crack 22 Oct 2018
In reply to Bellie:

It is indeed

 Andy Hardy 22 Oct 2018
In reply to Dave the Rave:

> Moss in the Peaks

Where?

 johnzxcv 22 Oct 2018
In reply to Trangia:

In the New Forest we have the name Balls for outcrops or small hills as in the name of a holiday campsite Sandy Balls,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Balls

Less well known is Burnt Balls (SU 186 140) which is next to Long Bottom. Since there are several other names ripe for innuendo in the area maybe someone will be making a retro film...... "Carry on up the New Forest" ?

 Dave the Rave 22 Oct 2018
In reply to Andy Hardy:

Featherbed?

 Bulls Crack 22 Oct 2018
In reply to Trangia:

Haven't had 'clough' yet!

 Webster 22 Oct 2018
In reply to Rigid Raider:

> Interestingly, a valley is a coombe or cwm in Britain and in the French Alps it's a combe. I wonder how that happened?

I didnt know that was a thing in the alps, but the answer is simple - Gaul.

Gaul was celtic, the same peoples as cornwall and wales (and much of southern britian before the romans for that matter). The french word for wales is Pays du Gal or something along those lines - land of the gauls.

the alps would have remained a celtic stronghold long after the romans conquered Gaul owing to its innacesibility and strong defences, so the celtic names have lingered in pockets much longer than the lowlands.

 Andy Hardy 23 Oct 2018
In reply to Dave the Rave:

I was channeling my inner Al Evans

 

Edit to add. Edge, as in Rushup, or Axe

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 tlouth7 23 Oct 2018
In reply to Trangia:

Not as large as other features here but in Norfolk (and more northerly countries) there are holes in the ground called Pingos:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pingo

 wercat 23 Oct 2018
In reply to Bulls Crack:

or Cleugh, as in Murder Cleugh in Northumberland

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