Decided we should prob get second harness to make life easier, I've searched forum and read reviews here but not much recent stuff. In an ideal world we'd go to a shop and try on a couple but too far to drive so will have to be mail order. Interested in any advice, suggestions etc. Although its a second harness exploring options for both - as exisiting harness (old no frills type) is not great fit. If it's any help kids are 8 (26kg and 130cm medium build), and almost 6 (18kg 113cm, slim) both are on the smaller side for age. Outdoor climbing, so will be going over several layers of clothing at times; low grades . Thinking still need full body harness - eldest is definitely top heavy and less confident at height. Looks like option for eldest would be something like DMM tom kitten or a seat harness plus chest harness like petzl do- I'm wondering if latter would keep tie in point higher and feel more secure for him? Youngest is pure muscle but very narrow - it needs to be a good fit on shoulders at least.