State of the Midi ridge

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 andybrown114 21 Aug 2021

Has anyone been down the Midi ridge lately? I'm heading to Chamonix at the start of September and wondering what sort of condition it's in. I was hoping to descend to the col du Midi with a tandem paraglider and relative novice passenger to fly down the Vallee Blanche but have heard there's a vertical blue ice step in it at the moment.

Cheers Andy

 philipjardine 22 Aug 2021
In reply to andybrown114:

yes its quite icy at the moment with no belays in place.  no significant snow on the horizon.  "vertical blue ice" is a bit overdoing it.  

 philipjardine 22 Aug 2021
In reply to andybrown114:

Here's Fridays condition report in English if you are interested:

MOUNTAIN CONDITIONS 20/08/2021

A few pointers on this sunny weekend!

In general, the weather (sun, lack of wind, good re-freezing, isotherm not too high) and the conditions (glaciers and rimayes still relatively well filled in, faces / couloirs in reasonable condition) are finally favourable to (long) mixed routes. Despite everything, the mountains have dried well (the last precipitation was 10 days ago). But after all, it is the end of August!

Nothing to report as far as rock routes go!

Tour basin

Good conditions on the classics (normal route Aiguille du Tour - tête Blanche - Petite Fourche, arête de la Table).

Lots of traffic (especially at the start of the week) on the Forbes arête which is now more technical (ice on the Bosse and above the col on the descent: 2 axes needed).

The Migot spur is finished.

Argentière Basin

It's over for the Milieu glacier (ice + rockfall) except for very experienced parties who will want to descend down the arête du Jardin. This also means the end of the game for the Flèche Rousse.

Charpoua

The refuge will close on 29th August.

It's still ok for the traverse of the Drus (but we say it every year, it's a long and technical route, be careful that you have both the ability and good experience in route finding otherwise you will take a long time).

Leschaux

Everything is dry except the Grandes Jorasses.

Envers des Aiguilles

The rimaye of the République / Grépon - Mer de Glace is still passable by the slab on the left bank (IV, blue pole in place). To join the start of the route there is a well marked traverse and an overhanging (but not wide) roture (gap between the snow and the rock).

However, the other route equipped by JS Knoertzer and Co to reach the new Tour Rouge hut is not recommended for everyone. It's steep, you have to know how to go up on fixed ropes (jumar recommended), check the condition of the equipment (ropes, knots) and there is some difficult climbing.

Helbronner sector

Always a lot of people on the classics. In these conditions, a 50 m rope (abseils of 25 m max) is enough for traversing the Marbrées and the Aiguille d'Entrêves.

Many teams on the Dent du Géant, fewer on the Rochefort arête (some icy sections are starting to appear).

Several teams on the Jorasses traverse. The rock section above the Canzio (Point Young) is dry. On the other hand, there is still a lot of snow further on which makes the route a little more difficult technically. Descent by the normal route OK. The Boccalate refuge is closed but the winter room (12 places, mattresses and blankets but no gas) remains accessible.

Conditions are still fine on the Kuffner (Frontier) ridge.

Traverse of the Aiguilles Diable: rimaye ok, the traverse to reach the couloir is on gravel but its OK. The couloir itself is also getting dry (a few rocky bits, 2 axes are needed depending on your skill level). All the Pointes are dry, you put crampons back on for the final mixed bit.

Aiguille du Midi sector

It's over for the Frendo for now (dry exit: ice and rockfall).

Conditions are still fine on the Midi-Plan even if here too, some bits have dried up (gravel / sand).

Cosmiques ridge:nothing to report except that we must not forget that despite its proximity and a certain degree of “banalisation”, this is a technical route and not easy. Normally it’s quite short (a half day), but several teams have been benighted ... Carefully question your grade and your mountaineering experience before doing it.

Traverse of the Pointes Lachenal: the descent from the last Pointe is exposed to the serac of the NE face of Tacul. You must keep well right. There is a bit of ice on the first Pointe (access to the traverse and the descent for the rock routes on the S face).

Mont Blanc via the Trois Monts: Tacul ok, do not follow a trail that goes to the left (going uphill) marked by a red flag which was left during a rescue in bad weather and which finishes up against a serac. There is some ice below the col du Mont Maudit (2 axes useful).

Pillar Gervasutti (from the PGHM): they have been pulling off more and more teams over the years. Conditions are getting looser and looser at the top. The terrain has changed a lot and even some local guides (who have done the route before) do not recognize it and some have had to seek help. Route therefore not recommended.

Mont Blanc via the Grands Mulets

A bit of activity lately even with the refuge closed. Access is easier from the gite à Balmat even if you have to find your way around by making a curve to the right before returning to the refuge. Those who came up by the Gare des Glaciers took almost 4 hours to cross the Jonction.

Mont Blanc via the Goûter

Normal conditions for the time of year. The climb up to the Goûter is dry and you have to be there at the right time.

Dômes de Miage / Bionnassay sector

Still generally good conditions on the traverse of the Dômes. The NE ridge of the Bionnassay is narrow (but no ice) but you need to be good on your feet.

Gonella sector

No more water at the refuge which is closing its doors today. The winter room (12 places, mattresses and blankets but no gas) remains accessible.

The route to reach the Piton des Italiens is still in good condition (even if the glacier is "scary" when it is not frozen).

Monzino sector

Several teams on the Innominata, the snow has transformed well.

After a number of rescues last weekend (wind, a lot of snow), there is a track on the Brouillard ridge.

Blanche de Peuterey by the Schneider ledges OK. The col Eccles is still fine.

Peuterey arête is in good snow conditions. Some teams also on the Integral. Borelli open with mattress and blankets.

You can also climb the Red pillar which is gradually drying. No news from the Freney.

Still no one at Ratti-Vitale (Aiguille Noire de Peuterey) even if the Freney glacier is OK and the route is dry (visually). Lots of people on the S ridge (crampons not needed). The descent by the E ridge has been re-marked (yellow dots) and the belays refurbished.

 Rob Parsons 22 Aug 2021
In reply to philipjardine:

> Here's Fridays condition report in English if you are interested:

That's very useful - thanks.

For future reference: from where did you get that report?

 planetmarshall 22 Aug 2021
In reply to philipjardine:

Interesting translation of "C'est terminé pour le Migot." to "The Migot is finished". Not exactly wrong, but I might read the latter to mean "The Migot is complete", which would be something completely different.

Reports from https://www.chamoniarde.com/montagne/conditions-montagne

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 philipjardine 22 Aug 2021
In reply to planetmarshall:

These reports aren't easy to translate.  A literal translation won't give the right information for Anglophones.  There are several places where I haven't gone for a literal translation of the French. But very happy to have feedback and suggestions for improvement.  There is also the question of how much to use the original French and how much to go for English words.  For instance "rimaye" is in common use in English but I think people use 'bergschrund' more.  "Roture" isn't in common use in English (or French!).  I quite liked "banalisation"  so left that in.  Its not easy!  happy to have an off line chat if you want.  

As far as the Migot goes you wouldn't want to be on it (nor the Frendo nor the Milieu).

 philipjardine 22 Aug 2021
In reply to Rob Parsons:

An excellent team in Chamonix (La Chamoniarde) https://www.chamoniarde.com

produce these reports in French following input from hut guardians and other sources.  They come out in summer and winter with variable frequency depending on how the weather is changing.  This one was published on Friday evening.  I have started translating them into English this summer.  Gus Morton did them for 6 years previously.  I have gone for a non literal translation but its early days for me and very happy to have feedback (be kind!).  They are posted on the AC website

http://www.alpine-club.org.uk/news/chamonix-condtions

and they are tweeted as well.  Any suggestions of other ways to disseminate them would be useful.  

 Rob Parsons 22 Aug 2021
In reply to philipjardine:

Ok, thanks very much. It's very useful information.

 Chris Craggs Global Crag Moderator 22 Aug 2021
In reply to andybrown114:

A friend of mine did it a couple of days ago and described conditions as perfect,

Chris

 planetmarshall 22 Aug 2021
In reply to philipjardine:

> These reports aren't easy to translate.

I bet, and I certainly couldn't have done better - having an English translation is something of a luxury. 

I would probably favour "the route is over" instead of "the route is finished", as the latter could be taken to mean "the route is complete" - but any ambiguity can usually be resolved from the context (which is why I looked at the original French in the first place).

Great work.

 philipjardine 22 Aug 2021
In reply to planetmarshall:

thanks that helpful.  funnily enough I used that phrase in the next paragraph.  and after that I used "end of the game".  

 oureed 22 Aug 2021
In reply to philipjardine:

> These reports aren't easy to translate.  A literal translation won't give the right information for Anglophones.  

Thanks for doing these translations, very useful. When I translate, I do a rough draft quickly then go back after a while (the longer the better, but you don't have this luxury!) and rewrite it without referring back to the original text. I'm often surprised by how my translated text doesn't really sound like it's been written by someone English. I think our brains find it hard to step away from the original language.

I'd have gone for something completely different from the French eg. The Migot spur is no longer in condition.

 mcawle 22 Aug 2021
In reply to andybrown114:

I walked down it on Friday morning and it was totally fine, literally a walk, no icy sections or vertical steps that I remember at all. So I’m a bit confused at the alternative views.

 99ster 23 Aug 2021
In reply to philipjardine:

"Cosmiques ridge: ...but several teams have been benighted..."

Oh dear!

 Webster 23 Aug 2021
In reply to andybrown114:

its about as perfect as it gets for this time of year, the most banked out it has been in many years in august. it is never a walk in the park but if you know what you are doing then it should pose no problems


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