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Tom V 03 Nov 2019

Dogman.

Very good film with outstanding performance from Marcello Fonte. 

Interesting filming location, too.

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Blue Straggler 03 Nov 2019
In reply to Tom V:

I watched The Aeronauts. It was wretched 

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pasbury 03 Nov 2019
In reply to Tom V:

Farmageddon - best belch in the history of cinema.

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adsheff 04 Nov 2019
In reply to Tom V:

+1 for Farmageddon. If you are into sheep and aliens then this is the best sheep-alien based film of the decade.

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Blue Straggler 04 Nov 2019
In reply to Tom V:

Le Mans 66, such a dreary muddle it doesn’t even know what to call itself 

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Tom V 05 Nov 2019
In reply to Blue Straggler:

I guess the beginning and the ending were ok then?

Do you have access to early screenings for some reason?

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Blue Straggler 05 Nov 2019
In reply to Tom V:

What?

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Tom V 05 Nov 2019
In reply to Blue Straggler:

I don't understand how but your typo was still showing on my screen half an hour ago

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Blue Straggler 05 Nov 2019
In reply to Tom V:

Cached from last night. Not technically a typo but an overlooked aggressive "autocorrect". 

The film was pretty poor though. Unnecessarily jingoistic, no sense of what a 24 hour race is like or even how it actually works, totally one-sided, no engagement with the characters, no reason to root for them, and its purported aim - to look at the relationship between Carroll Shelby and Ken Miles - is very much not met. Also aside from an early mention of Porsche, it plays as if no other manufacturers were involved in Le Mans. 

It does get comedy points for Christian Bale's accent sounding like a cross between an Ozzy Osbourne impersonator and that bit in I'm Alan Partridge where Alan mocks the young Yorkshire builder. 

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Blue Straggler 05 Nov 2019
In reply to Tom V:

> Do you have access to early screenings for some reason?

Just occasionally. I have a Cineworld Unlimited card and they do the occasional early screening and/or "mystery film" (in the latter case it is always something major that will be on release in the next few weeks). Odeon cinemas do the same but you don't have to be a card-holder for them. 

Actually I expected last night's to be 21 Bridges or The Good Liar as the website wrongly stated a 100 minute running time (whereas Odeon's "Screen Unseen" stated 160 minutes so I guess they were running Le Mans '66 as well). 

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Offwidth 05 Nov 2019
In reply to Blue Straggler:

Another excellent documentary film from last night   "A British Guide to the End of the World"  ( available on I Player)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000b1gn

It links our own bomb research  programme with the woeful preparations for civil response to nuclear war and the consequences of the fallout, especially for the poor sods who were human guinea pigs at the Christmas Island tests. Very moving, well directed and designed.

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Blue Straggler 06 Nov 2019
In reply to Offwidth:

Thanks for typing the title 

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Andy Clarke 07 Nov 2019
In reply to Tom V:

Monos 9/10. A haunting, hypnotic and at times hallucinogenic exploration of the dark heart of the human condition. The movie follows a ragged squad of teenage guerillas as they move from a bleak windswept upland into the claustrophobia and confusion of the rain forest, with their hostage, a female doctor. Their mission remains vague, the exact geography is left undisclosed and the guerillas all have noms de guerre such as Rambo, Wolf and Lady. We are in the realm of the archetypal. Joseph Conrad and William Golding are lurking in the shadows and there are a couple of clear nods to Lord of the Flies - including a pig's head on a stake - but the difference is that Monos doesn't depict a descent into savagery and ritual: it's there from the start. The movie has an enigmatic, dream-like quality - but the acting of the teenage stars is universally excellent and gives it real credibility. Cinematography and score are equally impressive. The film is full of arresting imagery, from sweeping panorama to detail so focussed upon it almost becomes abstract. The eerie, unsettling music merges in and out of the sounds of the child soldiers and the natural world. Everything shifts in a world without moral fixities. (In Spanish, with English subtitles.)

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Blue Straggler 07 Nov 2019
In reply to Andy Clarke:

Have you seen Beasts of the Southern Wild? 

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Andy Clarke 07 Nov 2019
In reply to Blue Straggler:

Missed it unfortunately. 

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Blue Straggler 07 Nov 2019
In reply to Andy Clarke:

Aspects of your Monos review brought it to mind. A river journey, an allegory, a vagueness. Shifts, imagery, young lead performer.

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Blue Straggler 08 Nov 2019
In reply to Blue Straggler:

The more I ponder "Le Mans '66", the worse the film turns out to be. Essentially, regardless of how interesting the Ford vs Ferrari saga of the 1960s might be to real motorsport fans, in book or real documentary form, it just doesn't work as a narrative story suited to glossy formulaic dramatised cinema - there is no underdog to root for and you are just left with various shades of obnoxious rich white men doing a Hooray Henry thing in their noisy toys.

I predict a weak box-office performance for this one. 
 

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Offwidth 10 Nov 2019
In reply to Blue Straggler:

A weirdly connected double bill from last night.

The first was Mother! that I'd been wanting to watch for some time. A strange movie indeed: incredibly well acted and filmed and as stretched to the limits as an allegorical and satirical, mainstream released 'horror' movie could be. I thought your review (second post on the film thread below) was spot on and I was pretty mesmerized.

https://www.ukhillwalking.com/forums/culture_bunker/september_film_thread-670763

The second, Only God Forgives, was almost a recording afterthought, as the reviews I'd previously caught were bad, but I quite liked Drive so I gave it a chance. Sumptuously filmed and very stylized, this bleakly violent film was never going to be a crowd pleaser. I thought it was flawed but well worth the viewing, with something almost spaghetti western about it, including the sparse but brash dialogue.

As a bonus for you, no RT links this time, as much because they don't do the auteur efforts (or the marmite) due justice.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Only_God_Forgives

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Blue Straggler 10 Nov 2019
In reply to Offwidth:

The Wikipedia link to the Aronofsky film will not paste correctly 

Try a tinyurl like this

https://tinyurl.com/y62emafc

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Offwidth 10 Nov 2019
In reply to Blue Straggler:

Thanks. No idea why but I managed to insert a space before the exclamation mark when copying the url over.

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Blue Straggler 10 Nov 2019
In reply to Offwidth:

No, I tested it twice from mobile phone (iPhone, Safari) and the space is automatically placed there once you hit "Post message". Not sure where the "fault" lies. 

Just tested it again posting from a MacBook Pro, also running Safari, and the same thing happened. 

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Blue Straggler 10 Nov 2019
In reply to Offwidth:

Your link to my review also made me look at my review of the Kevin Costner film "Criminal", thanks for that as I needed a laugh  

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mike lawrence? 10 Nov 2019
In reply to Andy Clarke:

Yes brilliant. I know the composer, it's very odd to meet someone so talented who is so genuinely modest and humble. Did you see that she didn't want to do the score as she didn't think the film needed one?

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Andy Clarke 10 Nov 2019
In reply to mike lawrence?:

> Yes brilliant. I know the composer...she didn't want to do the score as she didn't think the film needed one?

Glad she changed her mind! The soundtrack undoubtedly adds an extra dimension to what is a pretty immersive cinematic experience.

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Tom V 10 Nov 2019
In reply to Tom V:

Galveston. 

Read and enjoyed  the novel a couple of years ago so when I saw a review which said ..." a little too slow and a lot too serious for today's typical action audiences..." that was recommendation enough.

I liked it a lot, increasingly aware of Foster's talent after the last thing I saw him in, and there was a lovely piano score to accompany some of the deliberately dated cinematography.

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Blue Straggler 10 Nov 2019
In reply to Tom V:

Thanks! I was unaware of this, I have long admired Foster and also Fanning who is actually an even stronger guarantee of quality/interest. I will seek this out soon. 

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Blue Straggler 11 Nov 2019
In reply to Tom V:

Just saw the new "Midway" film, an odd one to review as it was pretty good (sometimes hard to follow the logistics admittedly, and a number of the characters/actors were confusingly interchangeable); it pretty much did what it said on the tin, told a fairly straightforward story without muddying things too much with more expansive politics and was refreshingly free of "judgement"(*), including giving decent screen time to the Japanese side of things. Well acted by a solid cast of reliable B-listers (plus Woody Harrelson as Nimitz). Nice to see Quaid getting decent screen time. 
The special effects were ambitious and pretty much flawless. You got a good sense,in the combat scenes, of just how hard it could be to actually hit a target.

And yet, despite all this, I am sure I will have forgotten a lot of it when I wake up tomorrow. Does this matter though? They have my money, I enjoyed my 2.5 hours in the cinema...


* in Second World War films involving Nazis, the screenwriters maybe have an easier job, as the Nazis are almost universally reviled and can easily be made "the bad guys", whereas the layman tends to "only" recall Japan in terms of Pearl Harbor, Midway, nasty POW camps, and Hiroshima/Nagasaki, and not with any sort of equivalent to the Holocaust

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Blue Straggler 11 Nov 2019
In reply to Blue Straggler:

"Meh-dway" perhaps.
Bit harsh and pithy. 

To add to my comments in the first post, I got a feeling that this film was very respectful. I have no idea as to whether it was historically accurate - it is after a Roland Emmerich high budget special effects action blockbuster - but amongst the inevitable bombast there was some sobriety. 

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Tom V 11 Nov 2019
In reply to Blue Straggler:

 Regarding Foster,  I've not seen Hell or High Water  but am in the process of rectifying that .

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Offwidth 11 Nov 2019
In reply to Blue Straggler:

If you talk to soldiers involved in the two campaigns, especially those soldiers taken prisoner, they usually have the opposite view. The death toll due to Japanese Imperialism was terrible, especially in the Chinese and SE asian campaigns: 6 million total dead is a standard estimate.

https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/SOD.CHAP3.HTM

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Blue Straggler 11 Nov 2019
In reply to Offwidth:

Hence my use of the term "layman". I probably should have added "European".

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Andy Clarke 15:51 Wed
In reply to Tom V:

Sorry We missed You: 8/10. Classic Ken Loach: an unflinching portrayal of a family crushed by the exploitative gig economy and corporate cost-cutting. Decent working people struggling to make a better life for their kids are chewed up and spat out to make a better profit for the lords of the system. It is a pretty savage indictment of the system - but since it's honest, how could it not be? As in its predecessor, Daniel Blake, Loach uses graffiti to express the anger and frustration of those denied a meaningful public voice. Intriguingly (for me, as an avid Shakespeare fan) I noticed some fleeting echoes of Hamlet in a moment of tender conversation between the father and mother in bed: he laments how 'the time is out of whack' and she confesses she is plagued  by 'bad dreams.' Can't work out the thematic relevance. In-joke? The movie is of course political and polemical - but what drives it is the human drama of the family striving to stay together. Since I'm a sauvignon socialist, I could live with the irony of getting outraged on a comfy indie cinema sofa with a chilled glass of white. If you're the sort of person who thinks what this country needs is a more laissez faire approach to employment legislation and workers' rights, this may not be the movie for you.

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Blue Straggler 16:38 Wed
In reply to Andy Clarke:

Thanks Andy 

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Tom V 08:41 Thu
In reply to Tom V:

"Hell or High Water".  Excellent performances from all three leads and a really good looking film with a fitting soundtrack but I still felt a bit short-changed at the end.

Also watched the Northern Ireland production "A Bad Day For the Cut",  a grim ride through the province and I didn't feel short-changed at the end, just depressed.

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Blue Straggler 10:51 Thu
In reply to Tom V:

> "Hell or High Water".  Excellent performances from all three leads and a really good looking film with a fitting soundtrack but I still felt a bit short-changed at the end.

Echoes my feelings, I didn't want to say anything before you'd seen it. 
Basically I didn't really root for the ostensible protagonists. Yes they were hoodwinked by sly financial salespeople into signing that contract, but they did sign a contract....
I realise that such a lack of sympathy might today come off as being a bit "Jacob Rees-Mogg" though!

 

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wercat 11:10 Thu
In reply to Blue Straggler:

a contract involving "hoodwinking" is void so what difference does signing it make?

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Tom V 11:21 Thu
In reply to Blue Straggler:

The black dude in Charley Varrick who gets his car repossessed by Molly presumably signed some sort of contract........ 

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Blue Straggler 12:02 Thu
In reply to wercat:

My use of the term "hoodwinking" was an attempt to make the protagonists in the film appear more sympathetic. I've only seen it once and I don't recall if there is any explicit statement to say their contract should actually be void. Maybe Tom V knows? 

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Blue Straggler 12:05 Thu
In reply to wercat:

> a contract involving "hoodwinking" is void so what difference does signing it make?

Basically the premise of the film in question is that payments on a reverse mortgage have fallen behind so a property is about to be repossessed, and we the audience seem to be expected to side with the two sons of the deceased property owner when they decide to rob the bank in order to balance the books. Because banks are inherently evil....

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Tom V 12:54 Thu
In reply to Blue Straggler:

I don't see the two robbers as being equal in terms of our sympathy: one is quite clearly a psycho type ( who still loves his little brother) and the other an unfortunate man forced to adopt criminal means to better the lot of his children, much less attracted to violence but capable of a turn when the occasion requires it. But there were enough shots of derelict farms and for sale signs, and vocalised support from the community, to show us that these were desperate measures for desperate times. 

 I hope there's no talk of a sequel.

Incidentally, I 'm pretty sure it was their mother who was hoodwinked into taking out the reverse mortgage, the implication being that she was a vulnerable person who had already had a lifetime of abuse from her husband.

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Blue Straggler 13:36 Thu
In reply to Tom V:

> Incidentally, I 'm pretty sure it was their mother who was hoodwinked into taking out the reverse mortgage, the implication being that she was a vulnerable person who had already had a lifetime of abuse from her husband.

It was the mother's mortgage, I did not imply otherwise but I wasn't able to easily cram this information into an already-long sentence. The question is, really, was there something illegal about the bank's action, beyond preying on the vulnerable?

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Tom V 17:50 Thu
In reply to Blue Straggler:

Probably not. I 'm not sure that selling PPI payments was actually illegal at the time it was done but I don't actually know.

By the way, I'm not condoning real life robbery in any shape or form : I think the great Train Robbers were a bunch of bastards and wish Biggs had been forced to die a long and painful death in Brazil.

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wercat 18:08 Thu
In reply to Blue Straggler:

don't worry I was only being legalistic.  I am beginning to see the value of Revenge in today's society, however.  So perhaps I might be more sympathetic.

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Tom V 18:23 Thu
In reply to wercat:

"As in the old Italian proverb: revenge is the dish which people of taste prefer to eat cold..."

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nufkin 14:11 Fri
In reply to wercat:

>  I am beginning to see the value of Revenge in today's society

Possibly this ought to have a specific thread, but what is/are the value/s of revenge?

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wercat 17:52 Fri
In reply to nufkin:

oh, it's personal satisfaction, restoration of balance, demise of the wrongdoers etc

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nufkin 20:44 Sat
In reply to wercat:

>  personal satisfaction, restoration of balance, demise of the wrongdoers etc

Key pillars of cinematic storytelling, I suppose

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Tom Last 21:59 Sat
In reply to Tom V:

Doctor Sleep.

My God, did anybody not just stop and think for one moment. Just terrible from start to finish. 

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Blue Straggler 22:30 Sat
In reply to Tom Last:

I didn’t post a review here cos I was in a moody period but....yes. Have not read it but the film was basically a decent (improved) rehash of The Lost Boys (you know, the daft 1987 Kiefer Sutherland vampire film with teen appeal) with bits of The Shining lazily dolloped onto it .

I thought it needed more Emily Alyn Lind (the young psychic) 

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Tom Last 23:36 Sat
In reply to Blue Straggler:

Haha yes it was! I was wondering what it was that the cringe flying scenes reminded me of and Lost Boys is exactly it. 

Similarly, the closing scene reminded me of the closing scene of Ghost, which would be okay if I was actually watching Ghost but...

Overall I think it suffered by (presumably) trying to crowbar in references back to the book, which didn’t really go anywhere and just left me wondering wtf was that bit about...? and required too many assumptions on the audiences part.

Also, Ewan McGregor doing his pantomime bit as usual, Uurgh.

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LeeWood 07:40 Sun
In reply to Tom V:

Donne Moi des Ailles - french film produced by Nicolas Vanier - renowned for his work with nature. For anyone who likes birds, flying and .... Melanie Doutey ;)

The story borrows generous cinematic licence (its for kids right !) but the actors are good; sweeping panaromas from S France to Norway inside the arctic circle - works v well on a big screen.

A great family outing - will it ever be shown in UK ??

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