I believe the first Old and in the Way is still the highest selling bluegrass album.
> Bumping this again
Don't just bump; give us another gem to chew on!!
I've got a few more up my sleeve....
I am a fan of both bands but I'm not offended. Great thread.
> I believe the first Old and in the Way is still the highest selling bluegrass album.
That has quite cheered me up ,there is hope for the species. Thanks!
> Don't just bump; give us another gem to chew on!!
To be honest I am struggling a bit under my own “rules”
A few in mind but either :
they weren’t that undersung and kind of did OK at least a cult level;
they were so flash-in-the-pan that there isn’t so much to say about them;
I’d feel a fraud for citing them because I wasn’t personally that well aware of them but heir legend has filtered down to me
Examples:
In the first camp, stuff like Cranes
in the second camp, Sharkboy and Flinch
In the third camp, Beat Happening and Slant 6
No idea why some of that was in italics.
Beat Happening may belong in the first camp too.
Er, I remember a bit of that, mainly because I worked in the newsroom at Hallam, so I knew Richard a bit. I went to see the Comsat Angels in Sheffield somewhere too, and used to play Total War a lot.
Killdozer; more mining from my record collection. I’ll attempt a justification for these unwholesome boys later.
The Enid and Gentle Giant, both very productive but criminally underrated.
The Sundays. One hit wonders with a truly brilliant singer;
youtube.com/watch?v=2H5qNe2MFzk&
Galaxy 500.
> Amazing Blondel
That’s a name I haven’t heard for over forty years. I seem to recall prog-folk with ancient instruments- at least I can picture that but I can’t remember what they actually sounded like.
More folk than rock from memory, and for some reason I tend to confuse them with Dr. Strangely Strange (another group who never quite became famous).
There are also groups who became very well known in one part of the UK but not elsewhere - Runrig were huge in Scotland in the 1980s & 90s but allbut unknown in England.
> More folk than rock from memory, and for some reason I tend to confuse them with Dr. Strangely Strange (another group who never quite became famous).
And another Island band. They had quite a few of those quirky fringe folk or folk-rock acts as well as the higher profile ones like Fairport Convention.
> There are also groups who became very well known in one part of the UK but not elsewhere - Runrig were huge in Scotland in the 1980s & 90s but allbut unknown in England.
I guess they weren't likely to be that popular in England because of their nationalist leanings. One of them became an SNP MP didn't he?
Did seem that Island, together with Joe Boyd, had more than their share of folk rock & similar bands. I think I first heard several of them on the Island sampler LPs such as El Pea & Bumpers
You must be a little bit younger than me... my first Island sampler was You Can All Join In. I had the second one too, whose name I can't remember. I think that one had Dr Strangely Strange on it.
Nice enough to eat ?
A quick search on Google suggests that the first (you can all join in) was released in 1969 & the last (El Pea) in 1971 so a fairly brief period. I had a few other samplers, but mostly folk of which the only title I can remember is Clogs.
I mentioned The Glee Club earlier (w.r.t record label samplers)
Irish band of the early-mid 1990s that were "kind of folky but not really because it was indie as well". Dominant fiddle playing and a VERY strong female vocal from Joanne Loughman.
Seemed a rather short-lived project. One mini-album (7 songs) on Setanta, and then something that has been a bit of a kiss of death for quite a few bands - the label 4AD picked them up.
Made a more complete album, re-recording the songs from the Setanta one and adding some, but a kind of "4AD sound" was imposed on it somehow - I didn't like it much but at least it gave them a bit more exposure.
I wonder if their confusing name hampered them. I went to what I thought was one of their gigs in London but it turned out to be an actual Glee Club - happy clapping and all that (I didn't know the term).
Then I wonder if the massive success of The Cranberries might have made them think "well there can't be room for two similar bands". They packed it all up, Joanne moved the US to be a schoolteacher...but JOY, they reformed a couple of years ago and made a new album and it's good.
Good older songs you can try and look up:
Free to Believe
Icy Blue
Remember the Years
> Nice enough to eat ?
That's the one.
> A quick search on Google suggests that the first (you can all join in) was released in 1969 & the last (El Pea) in 1971 so a fairly brief period. I had a few other samplers, but mostly folk of which the only title I can remember is Clogs.
I had one or two of the CBS Rock Machine samplers. Samplers were a good way to get hold of a range of music when you didn't have much money for albums.
> I mentioned The Glee Club earlier (w.r.t record label samplers)
> Irish band of the early-mid 1990s that were "kind of folky but not really because it was indie as well". Dominant fiddle playing and a VERY strong female vocal from Joanne Loughman.
Just listened to Icy Blue - very good
> Seemed a rather short-lived project. One mini-album (7 songs) on Setanta, and then something that has been a bit of a kiss of death for quite a few bands - the label 4AD picked them up.
A 4AD band I completely missed...
> Made a more complete album, re-recording the songs from the Setanta one and adding some, but a kind of "4AD sound" was imposed on it somehow - I didn't like it much but at least it gave them a bit more exposure.
> I wonder if their confusing name hampered them. I went to what I thought was one of their gigs in London but it turned out to be an actual Glee Club - happy clapping and all that (I didn't know the term).
Brilliant!
> Then I wonder if the massive success of The Cranberries might have made them think "well there can't be room for two similar bands". They packed it all up, Joanne moved the US to be a schoolteacher...but JOY, they reformed a couple of years ago and made a new album and it's good.
> Good older songs you can try and look up:
> Free to Believe
> Icy Blue
> Remember the Years
I'll nominate Souvaris who I discovered when I attended an Explosions in the Sky gig and they are in the same quiet/loud post rock vein as them. They've since disbanded. Not all all their stuff was good but there was some gems in there.
Another one is Trademark who were a synth pop band with good lyrics.
> A 4AD band I completely missed...
4AD started picking up bands that had already released stuff on other labels, quite a lot in the early-mid 1990s and I got the feeling that in many cases they didn't push those bands as much as their "own discoveries".
Tarnation were also victims of this.
Since the early 00s I don't know if 4AD has ever signed a new "never-released-anything-elsewhere" band. 4AD kind of stopped being "a thing" for me a while ago but I know there are still people who slavishly follow everything the label does, even defending a band they don't like much by saying "they're on 4AD"
And one, for a time at least, a Labour MSP.
> 4AD started picking up bands that had already released stuff on other labels, quite a lot in the early-mid 1990s and I got the feeling that in many cases they didn't push those bands as much as their "own discoveries".
> Tarnation were also victims of this.
> Since the early 00s I don't know if 4AD has ever signed a new "never-released-anything-elsewhere" band.
You may be right there - I can't think of any.
4AD kind of stopped being "a thing" for me a while ago but I know there are still people who slavishly follow everything the label does, even defending a band they don't like much by saying "they're on 4AD"
Even though it's a label that hosted many of my favourite bands over the years I never felt they were perfect, and I don't automatically check out everything they release, even though I'm still on their mailing list.
I'd like to say Regina Spektor but again I am not personally that familiar with her work, got a couple of bargain basement CDs when they were already old.
But she strikes me as one of many artists who in a parallel universe could have been a Florence-and-the-Machine. Accessible to the mainstream but with an air of quirkiness that could make her stand out, and seemingly very personable. The first one here, "Fidelity", didn't even get as much attention as Feist who might have been the closest contemporary but I think Regina had a bigger sound...
youtube.com/watch?v=wigqKfLWjvM&
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHAhnJbGy9M&list=PL8B027362379D8463&...
I’m going to go for another rulebending nomination; Graham Coxon. His band could be considered ‘quite’ successful but I think his solo work has always been under the radar a bit.
He’s a brilliant inventive guitarist, moving from his home turf of rock/indie into folk, blues and experimental playing with equal assurance.
I was listening to ‘Happiness in Magazines’ in the car today. It contains ‘ Freakin’ Out’; maybe his best known song but there isn’t a duff song on it.
youtube.com/watch?v=GoD4dXZGM4E&
youtube.com/watch?v=-wdZ44rhTAA&
youtube.com/watch?v=2eEjiqVe0Fk&
Great lyrics, very English, very geeky loserish.
I think the guy is a genius.
I’ve never quite got Regina Spektor. She reminds me of other people I like and there’s nothing I dislike about her. It just doesn’t work. I wonder if this is a common reaction, hence her peripheral status.
Inclined to agree artistically yet bizarrely the shortcomings there should be exactly the things that would get her onto Jools Holland and give her a whole big audience of “that sort of music listener”
Not being cynical when I cite Jools Holland. I was an “early adopter” of Joanna Newsome back when I used to really keep an ear to the ground. A gig was booked for her at a 300 capacity venue in Nottingham and she definitely was not at that level at that point and I wondered if they would move it to a smaller venue, or put tables out to fill the floor.
then she appeared on Jools Holland
then her gig turned out to be the most packed gig I’ve ever seen at that venue
(this was 2004 or 2005 I think)
that is a good call. I only have Happiness in Magazines and admit that I haven’t listened to it that much but I know how prolific and consistent he’s been and I did see him at Reading 2004 and he was ace. Seems truly dedicated to his craft. You’d think that the Blur connection would inherently help him to sell records but it does t really work that way eh
> Just listened to Icy Blue - very good
Two Scottish bands from early 1970s.
Beggar's Opera. Classical-based prog rock band who were overshadowed by "The Nice."
Album - "Act One" [1970].
JSD Band. Celtic tinged Folk Rock band.
Album - "JSD Band" [1972].
> Two Scottish bands from early 1970s.
> Beggar's Opera. Classical-based prog rock band who were overshadowed by "The Nice."
> Album - "Act One" [1970].
> JSD Band. Celtic tinged Folk Rock band.
> Album - "JSD Band" [1972].
I remember Beggar’s Opera very vaguely- like you say, very much in the same area as the Nice. I don’t quite remember the JSD band except to say I have a disturbing memory of having seen them live but can remember nothing else. It was the times...
> I mentioned The Glee Club earlier (w.r.t record label samplers)
> Irish band of the early-mid 1990s that were "kind of folky but not really because it was indie as well". Dominant fiddle playing and a VERY strong female vocal from Joanne Loughman.
> Seemed a rather short-lived project. One mini-album (7 songs) on Setanta, and then something that has been a bit of a kiss of death for quite a few bands - the label 4AD picked them up.
> Made a more complete album, re-recording the songs from the Setanta one and adding some, but a kind of "4AD sound" was imposed on it somehow - I didn't like it much but at least it gave them a bit more exposure.
> Heh, all this 90s indie stuff has reminded me of another lost band. Unlike my other suggestions I don't particularly think this band should have been bigger, but I'd have liked at least a third album from them.
> Whistler. Kind of gentle indie with an interesting vocal from Kerry Shaw who had a gorgeous voice yet was almost "not exactly SINGING". I guess you could call it a laconic delivery.
> The biting and sarcastic lyrics really worked well.
> It was Ian Dench's band, he formerly of EMF, and quite a departure from that band. I believe Whistler disbanded because someone offered EMF a wad of cash to do some nostlagia tour !
The YouTube clips I'd put up before were not what would have been my first choices but online Whistler stuff is few and far between so I've uploaded some favourites here.
http://www.blue-straggler.net/miTunes/02%20Thank%20You.mp3
a very sarcastic and withering one here:
http://www.blue-straggler.net/miTunes/07%20Heaven%20Help%20Me.mp3
and an Emily Dickinson poem set to music
http://www.blue-straggler.net/miTunes/11%20I%20Felt%20A%20Funeral.mp3
> The YouTube clips I'd put up before were not what would have been my first choices but online Whistler stuff is few and far between so I've uploaded some favourites here.
Thanks for that. Very good. There's a bit of Dory Previn in the first one - there's a blast from the past for you. The second one was a bit Dubstar - she sings very like Sarah Blackwood -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnZ6lRMBcZU&index=5&list=PLU62MFne4...
(They were another 'lost band' - after the initial rush of success I think they got dismissed as a bit of a poor man's St Etienne.)
I think Dubstar did suffer from Sarah's rather flat and nasal delivery. Worked really well on their cover(?) of "Not So Manic Now" but their other songs suffered from it IMHO.
Whereas Kerry's "flat" delivery really worked on the Whistler songs, although they certainly never got a glimpse of the success that Dubstar enjoyed, however briefly.
I recently had to drive 2 hours in the dark in Ireland in a hire car and needed some good tunes to get me through it (I know 2 hours isn't exactly epic but it was all dreary and I was weary and blah blah)
Happily I had an inadvertent "best of Dot Allison" on my phone and this made it a lovely drive! I might not have thought of it were it not for your OP, so thanks for that.
Another thanks for this thread having provoked some memories and made me dig out some CDs that even I had arguably neglected. After enjoying some Dot Allison music whilst travelling in Ireland a couple of weeks ago, I have this week been listening to Whistler's second album a lot in the car (and tonight I dug up the first album).
Whilst both do admittedly have some weak tracks, when they are good they are GREAT - also I am appreciating some of the songs that I'd previously not been so keen on and in fact I had been skipping them a lot so it's almost like having some new Whistler! I must rip some more and upload, given that there is not much online.
Even better, via Google I found that the vocalist Kerry Shaw is on Facebook and have dropped her a line no reply yet....ha. Was just asking about her very rare solo album which was only ever a giveaway at her solo gigs (of which there about two, probably) and mail order. I wasn't in the loop at that time....
Glad to see this thread again! Reminded me of a couple more good ones, albeit very different to Blue Straggler's last offering:
The Beyond - Crawl
ISIS - Oceanic
The Beyond are actually a fairly inconsistent band, but that album has some really good metal on it. Drummer is now in Therapy?, which is what reminded me (They are reforming for one show to support Therapy?)
ISIS may not be that lost to certain people. Some growling on Oceanic, but I've always liked it for the ambient bits even more.
Toni Childs, belter of a voice...
youtube.com/watch?v=S00HHzXZUrg&
The Blue Aeroplanes never got the recognition they deserved...
youtube.com/watch?v=AoLYhNGwp4E&
Screaming Blue Messiahs, a truly great live band..
youtube.com/watch?v=mR5hFONQfqg&
Blue Aeroplanes, yes, definitely. Still plugging away round Bristol I believe. Saw them once, very loud, with three guitarists!
I never got into Screaming Blue Messiahs at the time - wish I'd seen them
The rhythm section seem a bit bitter - mostly about Bill Carter - http://read.tidal.com/article/unsung-heroes-the-screaming-blue-messiahs-goo...
Yeah, really liked Whistler after you posted that link. Hope you can track down the solo album!
> Glad to see this thread again! Reminded me of a couple more good ones, albeit very different to Blue Straggler's last offering:
I'm surprised it hasn't been archived yet. The Thread That Would Not Die!
I'll check those new suggestions out...
> Yeah, really liked Whistler after you posted that link. Hope you can track down the solo album!
I dug up the one track that I own from that album, it's wonderfully bitter! http://www.blue-straggler.net/miTunes/03%20Beautiful%20Sadness.mp3
And on a Kerry Shaw tangent, here is one from her folky-twee "cool songs rearranged for cool babies" project, Ansty Cowfold. Nicer to listen to than Bob Dylan's
http://www.blue-straggler.net/miTunes/04%20Copper%20Kettle%20%28The%20Pale%...
> Whistler. Kind of gentle indie with an interesting vocal from Kerry Shaw who had a gorgeous voice yet was almost "not exactly SINGING". I guess you could call it a laconic delivery.
> The biting and sarcastic lyrics really worked well.
> It was Ian Dench's band, he formerly of EMF, and quite a departure from that band. I believe Whistler disbanded because someone offered EMF a wad of cash to do some nostalgia tour !
> Blue Aeroplanes, yes, definitely. Still plugging away round Bristol I believe. Saw them once, very loud, with three guitarists!
I had the great pleasure of seeing former Blue Aeroplane Rodney Allan play unannounced in a pub in Pucklechurch about ten years ago. He just turned up with an acoustic guitar and ripped through a few Blue Aeroplanes songs and a few covers of Neil Young, Oasis etc.
Really talented guy.
I saw them in late 1993 on a double-headline tour with A House (a band I mentioned earlier in this thread), and a new little Britpop indie band called Sleeper supporting.
Blue Aeroplane's finale was to get everyone who had ever been in the band, on stage jamming, dancing or singing (or all three). I think there were about 26 on there and presumably that was just those who could make it to that London show!
God knows what the count is like by now
Bumping the thread. Haven’t dug up any more bands but I don’t think anyone replied to my waxing lyrical about Magnapop earlier on, and I want to also bump them, as it were
> Fill Your Head With Rock was a brilliant sampler featuring many fine bands and singers who are largely unknown today. Sadly it is not on CD. Many tracks can be heard on YouTube though.
So was "Rock Machine Turns You On."
> I guess they weren't likely to be that popular in England because of their nationalist leanings. One of them became an SNP MP didn't he?
Pete Wishart.
> And one, for a time at least, a Labour MSP.
I take it you are referring to Runrig. Donnie Munro was a Labour Party candidate for the UK Parliament and for the Scottish Parliament but was never elected.
Can't believe I haven't mentioned China Drum on this thread yet. Their first album 'Goosefair' is one I still listen to occasionally (and has 'Wuthering Heights' as a bonus track, which gave them their 5 minutes of fame). Good Husker Du inspired punk.
Just as good is their 3rd album 'Diskin', even if it's a bit odd. They shortened their name to 'The Drum' and started messing with loops and samples. Somehow it ended up working really well, despite their singer deciding it sucked - he left shortly afterwards I think.
> Galaxy 500.
I haven't listened to Galaxie 500 for many years but just yesterday they popped into my head (I was watching an American show featuring classic cars). I made an effort to find their records in my collection but quickly gave up. Today I read this post and renewed my effort and quickly located 'On Fire' and 'This is our music'. I am now listening to 'Snowstorm'...
youtube.com/watch?v=VejZKCpNnrs&
Thanks Mr Ger.
New fast automatic daffodils pigeonhole. One of my favourites, where else can you find a track called Fishes Eyes.
I saw China Drum a couple of times in Glasgow in the late 90s. I remember seeing them in King Tuts and getting wuthering heights as a free single on entry. The flipside was the flying medallions who were label mates (fierce panda?) who they were touring with at the time. Saw them again later around the 'somewhere else' single time which I bought at the gig (in nice n sleazy - must have been on the slide then) and they were no longer a three piece, original singer/ drummer just on vocals I think.
Reuben should've been way more famous. By far the best of the early 2000s British Rock revival (ties with maybe Oceansize who also should've been way bigger). Their frontman quit music to be an illustrator but has released a couple of extremely good albums. I first saw them supported by Engerica (who I still listen to but recognise are a bit niche) about 15 years ago during my GCSEs
This thread will not die. If you try we willl come for you.
The album that this one is on is great: youtube.com/watch?v=LByiVlc6czA&
Not sure they ever managed to follow it up with anything near as good, but I've kept listening to it since childhood.
Argus was indeed a great album, far better than anything Wishbone Ash did before or after. A fellow I meet dog walking recently brought up the subject of classic rock albums and Argus was the first album he mentioned. Mind you, he disqualified my suggestion of the "5000 Spirits" as he didn't consider the Incredible String Band to fit into the category of Rock.
Not sure there IS a classification that 5000 Spirits would for into... other than brilliance.
I really liked the Roomtown Bats.
It's a shame the bassist kept shouting 'G'day mate! I'll do it Dreckly' before (impressively) downing a fosters AND a pasty simultaneously. He then proceeded to disagree with all the climbers in the audience, seemingly just to provoke a reaction.
Ruined the vibe frankly.
Wonder what happened to them...
I've just discovered this thread and not had time to read it all yet so apologies if I'm repeating anything.
I'm always amazed that the Longpigs didn't last or achieve major success.
I was also listening One by Perfume the other day and wondering how I never even got to see them live.
Honourable mention to Six by Seven.
But the winner for me is Dark Star who's album Twenty Twenty Sound is still in my all time top 10 yet noone ever liked them but me. I still remember dragging six friends from the other end of Glastonbury at a run to see them, only for all of them to drift to the bar whilst I stood in awe. Alone.
youtube.com/watch?v=vCRhcTJGfwA&
Supercharge used to play support to big acts at Leeds University union back in the late 70's.
Front man Albie playing tenor sax and with a fine line in scurrillous jokes and patter plus some great music, blew away a couple of the main acts as I recall.
I was in a band with the future Walking Seeds guitarist, Robbie Parker, when we were growing up in Barrow. None of us could play, but he had a sound in his head that he wanted to achieve. His ticket to the indie outside world was endless patience and an enthusiasm for The Stooges, neither of which I shared but sometimes talent is that simple. Whirling Ball is a pretty good LP - I second that! Now runs Probe Records in Liverpool if all my facts are right.
Workshy by Animals That Swim. Would have been huge in a just universe!
Sunhouse by Sunhouse, and another thumbs up for The Comsat Angels...
Yes Dark Star seemed to be a bit polarising - they played the old free Ashton Court festival once with the same effect. Do you know Levitation from which they sprang?
Having listened to one or two of the scarce Dark Star videos on the web, there was something about the vocals that grated with me.
Looks like Supercharge are still going... youtube.com/watch?v=r5_ZkKY_XIU&
- good for them! One thing I love to see is these bands and individuals who are still plugging away despite limited or ephemeral success. Love and devotion to music...
> I really liked the Roomtown Bats.
> Wonder what happened to them...
Old punks never die, they just get more right wing in their dotage...
> Old punks never die, they just get more right wing in their dotage...
Speak for yourself mate...
Another early-mid 1990s one
Madder Rose.
American guitar indie-rock which was in fairness ten-a-penny back then, which may have been Madder Rose's undoing. They did OK, with John Peel patronage (two sessions) and also The Evening Session and Mark Radcliffe on Radio 1, and some decent press coverage and small UK headline tours around the first album. I saw them a few times in London 1993-94, and also supporting Violent Femmes in 1994.
The lead single from the second album got them maybe the most airplay of all, but then all attention seemed to dissipate. I guess that with Belly, The Breeders and Veruca Salt (and arguably Magnapop who I mentioned much earlier), people decided there wasn't room for another female-vocal American indie band with slightly rockin' guitars
I dug out a tape with various Radio 1 sessions from Madder Rose, just last week. They sound really good and a bit different to the aforementioned, with lots of big guitar wig-out outros from main man Billy Cote.
here are some quieter ones from them
youtube.com/watch?v=VMhIKt0NvYY&
youtube.com/watch?v=McGYexu9St0&
here is a Jackson 5 cover
youtube.com/watch?v=bHrg2_cmgvc&
And one of the bigger-sound ones
youtube.com/watch?v=3pHBt5qNjjE&
I might be misguided with this one as I was never really into club culture so this might have been something that was dated and derivative at the time, but I really liked the Hardknox album in 1999.
The sound is a bit Prodigy I guess. Hardknox was a project of Lindy Layton (she of "Dub Be Good To Me" by Beats International feat. Lindy Layton) and some other dude. I don't think she is doing any vocals on it though. Just great cheesy big sounds, good for driving and sports youtube.com/watch?v=f4NQ14UsT9Q&
They seem to have been quite short lived. I really don't know much about them at all
> I might be misguided with this one as I was never really into club culture so this might have been something that was dated and derivative at the time, but I really liked the Hardknox album in 1999.
> The sound is a bit Prodigy I guess. Hardknox was a project of Lindy Layton (she of "Dub Be Good To Me" by Beats International feat. Lindy Layton) and some other dude. I don't think she is doing any vocals on it though. Just great cheesy big sounds, good for driving and sports youtube.com/watch?v=f4NQ14UsT9Q&
This really is the thread that never dies! Hasn't really attracted much attention from the dance/club element, I guess because the genre doesn't really focus on bands and albums.
> American guitar indie-rock which was in fairness ten-a-penny back then, which may have been Madder Rose's undoing. They did OK, with John Peel patronage (two sessions) and also The Evening Session and Mark Radcliffe on Radio 1, and some decent press coverage and small UK headline tours around the first album. I saw them a few times in London 1993-94, and also supporting Violent Femmes in 1994.
> The lead single from the second album got them maybe the most airplay of all, but then all attention seemed to dissipate. I guess that with Belly, The Breeders and Veruca Salt (and arguably Magnapop who I mentioned much earlier), people decided there wasn't room for another female-vocal American indie band with slightly rockin' guitars
> I dug out a tape with various Radio 1 sessions from Madder Rose, just last week. They sound really good and a bit different to the aforementioned, with lots of big guitar wig-out outros from main man Billy Cote.
I do remember them, but I think you've about got it right. Decent sound and a good vocalist, but sometimes it's just not enough.
Perhaps Joy Zipper never made it for similar reasons, it's a crowded field.
But I love Tabitha Tindale's voice (and name); 'a candy apple with a razor blade inside'!
The Heartlight Set is a great record, sunny and dark at the same time.
youtube.com/watch?v=x_ZInIjy5bY&
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Sv4wEacjPw&list=PLWOTlj6Ursm_lI2v6zJDg...
> I do remember them, but I think you've about got it right. Decent sound and a good vocalist, but sometimes it's just not enough.
They didn't have any "image" to project either, and I think even in indie, this was important. Same issue for Magnapop, and it's not just to do with the lead singer not being the youngest/prettiest.
Second link isn't working.
I remember Joy Zipper and quite possibly have one of their albums which I probably bought a few years late in a bargain bin and proceeded to not listen to much.
Listening to your first link is interesting, I had misremembered them as having an annoyingly deliberately twee cloying lead vocal! I hear no such thing here. But I think they came several years late to the jangly pretty indie world. Kind of band that if they were British and 10 years earlier, would have been on Sarah Records.
A friend reminded me of Ruby the other day. It was Lesley Rankine (formerly of Silverfish) and a producer (Mark Walk, now I've googled it). Similar in feel to Tricky's more uptempo stuff with some excellently-90s snarling/ascerbic lyrics. Salt Peter had some really good songs on it and a couple of big-ish singles off it. Paraffin I think was the biggest:
youtube.com/watch?v=0btiOltbSLU&
I don't remember Ruby but I do vaguely remember Silverfish. Did a search and I was surprised to find she's still going, and doesn't appeared to have mellowed a great deal. She must be in her fifties. Another one of those that keeps plugging away regardless of success or not.
> Second link isn't working.
Ah yes it's a playlist - plenty of other stuff on the tubes
youtube.com/watch?v=hkDHBUcV8i0&
> I remember Joy Zipper and quite possibly have one of their albums which I probably bought a few years late in a bargain bin and proceeded to not listen to much.
> Listening to your first link is interesting, I had misremembered them as having an annoyingly deliberately twee cloying lead vocal! I hear no such thing here. But I think they came several years late to the jangly pretty indie world. Kind of band that if they were British and 10 years earlier, would have been on Sarah Records.
No I'd never describe her voice as twee and cloying!
Ruby were perfectly fine but I don't know if they were "lost" in terms of being overlooked (which is maybe not what you were saying). They were exactly as obscure as they should have been i.e. nothing in their output says to me "these should have been much better known".
Tiny Meat was their "big hit"
Lesley is 52.
Yeah, but I thought there was enough substance to maintain more than one moderately successful album and thought they/she was going to be pretty successful on their own terms.
A fair enough assertion / opinion!
A lot of first albums were like that once (can’t think of a good example just now but I’m sure one of you can) but there was a time when record companies were more prepared to support bands for a bit longer.
Blur's first album was bloody awful. And the second was something of an improvement but not outstanding if I remember rightly.
A lot of people (not me, necessarily!) cite Blur's second album as being their key work. The third was the big commercial breakthrough but the second was the one that set the template for an entire British indie movement (Britpop)
Radiohead's first album was basically 2 or 3 decent singles plus a load of much weaker stuff that was rushed through in order to please Parlophone and get a record out, iirc.
Not sure if we have had them because I can't face reading all 300-odd posts but I want to nominate The Moffs.
youtube.com/watch?v=-cY1nkLWkbY&
Another Day in the Sun is just magnificent.
Don't think we've had them.
You could do a thread search to avoid reading all posts, just CTRL-F "Moffs"
Madder Rose: Responsible for one of my all time favourite covers. "The Love You Save"
> Don't think we've had them.
> You could do a thread search to avoid reading all posts, just CTRL-F "Moffs"
Wow didn't know you could do that.
Unless I did it wrong it appears no one has mentioned Galaxy 500 or the Auteurs. But are they lost or merely cult? (I feel if Madder Rose is in then perhaps these could be)
Galaxie 500 - I think you spelt it wrong. Big Ger mentioned them somewhere upthread. One of his better contributions to UKC!
> Galaxie 500 - I think you spelt it wrong. Big Ger mentioned them somewhere upthread. One of his better contributions to UKC!
Oh the embarrassment as I have the "On Fire" CD in the car. I blame spellcheck for getting it right when it should be wrong!
Not my thread, not my rules, but I would say that Galaxie 500 are very far from "lost". Even without knowing a single song title of theirs, I have been aware of them for decades, and some of their later projects, and I know Dean and Britta's names, and dome of Dean's film music work. They are pretty legendary.
From a personal point of view I'd put Beat Happening into a similar category, I think I may have mentioned this above. And The Auteurs? Legends again! People who aren't even into their music have still read and enjoyed Luke Haines' two volumes of memoirs
Arguably quite a fair comment on Madder Rose, given the attention they got in the early days. I was just commenting that they didn't seem to last in the indie limelight.
> So, have you got any albums or bands that you hold close to your heart but which for some reason never quite achieved the fame and status that they deserved? All genres welcome...
The Playn Jayn. From the Friday the 13th album, I still wonder why they never made it :
youtube.com/watch?v=xbl5kpWYnUI&
I've also recently rediscovered Raymonde who never quite made it either, from the album Babelogue :
youtube.com/watch?v=OPzyHLkmGkI&
> Not my thread, not my rules, but I would say that Galaxie 500 are very far from "lost". Even without knowing a single song title of theirs, I have been aware of them for decades, and some of their later projects, and I know Dean and Britta's names, and dome of Dean's film music work. They are pretty legendary.
> From a personal point of view I'd put Beat Happening into a similar category, I think I may have mentioned this above. And The Auteurs? Legends again! People who aren't even into their music have still read and enjoyed Luke Haines' two volumes of memoirs
> Arguably quite a fair comment on Madder Rose, given the attention they got in the early days. I was just commenting that they didn't seem to last in the indie limelight.
Fair enough although it is all relative and dependant on which circles one moves in. I listen to Radio 6 and have heard Madder Rose name checked a few times in the last few months.
Going back to the OP's original definition he did say something about 'not getting the success they deserved' I think the Auteurs deserved to be bigger based on the quality of the songs on the first album alone. Madder Rose, it could be argued, got more attention than they deserved, at the time, and their fading away is understandable.
Hmm. I'll have to think of some genuinely 'lost' bands... that are good.
>I think the Auteurs deserved to be bigger based on the quality of the songs on the first album alone.
I'd agree but I guess a large part of their obstacle to bigger success was Luke Haines' "obstinate" personality (and many of us wouldn't have it any other way! )
Thanks for returning to the OP and reminding us of the original intention! I think maybe I have started scraping the bottom of my barrel (no offence to Madder Rose!) having posted several times earlier in the thread.
> >I think the Auteurs deserved to be bigger based on the quality of the songs on the first album alone.
> I'd agree but I guess a large part of their obstacle to bigger success was Luke Haines' "obstinate" personality (and many of us wouldn't have it any other way! )
I keep meaning to get around to his book(s)
> Atomic Rooster - Death Walks Behind You
Heard the original of Happy Mondays Step On the other day: youtube.com/watch?v=8wTxjJrn2g4&
Need to find more of his stuff.
Urusei Yatsura were surely made for this thread. I had completely forgotten about them until they popped up on a Spotify playlist - Kewpies like Watermelons and Siamese were great singles, and there's more good stuff there. Like Pavement without the boring bits.
Nice one, I remember being intrigued by the name, i’lI investigate.
> I might be misguided with this one as I was never really into club culture so this might have been something that was dated and derivative at the time, but I really liked the Hardknox album in 1999.
> The sound is a bit Prodigy I guess. Hardknox was a project of Lindy Layton (she of "Dub Be Good To Me" by Beats International feat. Lindy Layton) and some other dude. I don't think she is doing any vocals on it though. Just great cheesy big sounds, good for driving and sports youtube.com/watch?v=f4NQ14UsT9Q&
> They seem to have been quite short lived. I really don't know much about them at all
I dug out this album and put the CD into my car stereo - I am not a loud music listener or a boy racer but I DO have a 2-seater RWD 3.5l V6 (Nissan 350Z) with a pretty fancy Bose sound system, so for a 3 hour drive up the M1 on Thursday, I thought "Hardknox loud will be ace"
I thought it sounded fantastic!
But can it be a coincidence that something fell off the bottom of my car when track 7 kicked in?
> But can it be a coincidence that something fell off the bottom of my car when track 7 kicked in?
> Madder Rose: Responsible for one of my all time favourite covers. "The Love You Save"
I hadn’t noticed this post . That is indeed a really good cover.
Don't know if they've been done, but "The Sound", featuring the rather tragic Adrian Borland
youtube.com/watch?v=TatDaIIxL6A&
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sound_(band)
I only know his music via Honolulu Mountain Daffodils (mentioned above). I must investigate more.
Very sad end to his life.
I was there too, there must have been about 150 more mature ravers who thought they were 20 odd again, it was hilarious, I count myself among them btw! Awesome festival that!!
The Real People - if you believe the stories, Oasis ripped their songs off and added a little attitude, not sure I believe it but they had some very good if poss dated tracks now
Trash Can Sinatras - have been going for nearly 30 yrs and 6 albums and still the most under-rated band I've come across
Flowered Up - off their trolley's but great early 90s psychedelia
World of Twist - similar to FU but from Manc - singer met a tragic end I believe
Denim - don't know a lot about them but had some great tracks
Catherine Wheel - MBV esque
Chapterhouse - Pearl is one of my fave tracks from the 90s shoe gazing scene
Always had high hopes for this one - Poe - from back in 1995. Listening to it now does bring back some memories though I have to admit it might have corked in the intervening 22 years. I don't think she produced anything after this album. Big on student radio back in the day though, and apparently sampled by J Dilla if that counts for anything.
https://youtu.be/ErnUZKpmrbM?t=4m20s
On a different tack, while producing a fair number of albums, Ros Sereysothea (the Aretha Franklin of the Cambodian Rock & Roll/Psychadelia scene from the late 1960s up until 1975) like all her contemporaries was stopped well short of her prime.
youtube.com/watch?v=EnhI1LGuqTE&
youtube.com/watch?v=J_fkNEuX-qw&
Sadly, my namesake, Pan Ron, Sin Sithamuth, and the others like her were nowhere to be found at the end of the genocide in 1979, executed or worked to died.
Re Blur and Radiohead
Not a fan of Pablo Honey or Blur's early stuff, and I'm not sure in the modern era either band would have survived long enough to become the bands they did. The record companies invested in them and had the patience to see it through.
I saw Blur (pre-Parklife) at the bottom of a bill with Jesus and Mary Chain, MBV and Dinosaur Jr and quite frankly they were shite, although a few young women clearly thought differently !
> Not a fan of Pablo Honey or Blur's early stuff, and I'm not sure in the modern era either band would have survived long enough to become the bands they did. The record companies invested in them and had the patience to see it through.
Forgot to add Poppy Factory - like lightning seeds but a bit more psychedelic, from Sheffield, released 3 or 4 fantastic eps and recorded an album but never released to my knowledge
youtube.com/watch?v=OHTl6CSIuMA&
> World of Twist - similar to FU but from Manc - singer met a tragic end I believe>
Are you thinking of Nick Sanderson? He died at a fairly young age, cancer, but I think he was the drummer in World of Twist. Talented guy, played with lots of bands, including Jesus and Mary Chain. I know him best as the singer and lyricist in Earl Brutus. They were a brilliant underrated band who I champion on here when these threads come up, I did it already further up. I never get much reaction lol. Their 2nd album Tonight You Are The Special One is a masterpiece.
I don’t know about Nick, but the lead singer and main man of World I’d Twist died a few years ago in his early 50s
> the lead singer and main man of World I’d Twist died a few years ago in his early 50s
Gordon King?
> Gordon King?
Tony Ogden and it was a bit more than a few years ago. 2006, at 44 years old
http://louderthanwar.com/world-of-twist-the-great-lost-manchester-band-reme...
Thanks for the link. Sad story really, but WoT sound great, I'll need to check them out.
Specifically an album; the artist has other works before and after, but it's just this one album which I think should have been bigger. Not BIG big, it could only ever be a cult classic, but it's more obscure than it should be.
Dead Dog's Eyeball: Songs of Daniel Johnston, by K McCarty.
Daniel Johnston himself is an ongoing living legend and at the time of the K McCarty album (1994-5) he was a bona fide cult icon, made famous by Kurt Cobain's patronage. Considered (rightly or wrongly) to be something of an "idiot-savant" charming songwriter truly writing from the heart with no jaded cynicism, Johnston was and is adored in discerning circles.
However....he couldn't play or sing for shit. Listening to him alone was OK. Listening to him in front of less clued-up friends was somewhat demanding.
K McCarty's album of covers made it all so much more listenable, without putting any syrupy gloss on it. Still spiky, but with good playing and instrumentation and her wonderful alto vocals.
Many of you will have heard one song from this, as the closing credits music on "Before Sunrise" (a film directed by Richard Linklater, an old Austin friend of McCarty).
Here is that song, but honestly jump to the next link for MY personal favourite
Living Life:
youtube.com/watch?v=gndFkoMqGhY&
Grievances
youtube.com/watch?v=QQQTWmi6Uxs&
(with a comment that echoes my own, hardly surprising as it's not an uncommon opinion!)
> Thanks for the link. Sad story really, but WoT sound great, I'll need to check them out.
I got a dislike for this. My 2nd recent unfathomable dislike.
> Would "The Enid" count?
> Great band, never got the acclaim they deserved, seen them live too many times to count.
> A "cult" Band?
A former colleague from my old school had a stint playing keyboards with them. There's footage from a gig at the Hammersmith odeon. He's complete with cape. Total legend and every staff member and pupil love the guy to bits.
Maybe it was a World of Twist thing, nothing personal. I seem to recall them being slagged a bit at the time. I was trying to remember why I passed on them back then, and I seem to recall the album sounding very underwhelming, and having a stupendously naff cover. Something horribly obvious given the album name.
The more this thread rolls on and on, the more I am thinking that there are more 'great lost bands' than there are successful ones!
> The more this thread rolls on and on, the more I am thinking that there are more 'great lost bands' than there are successful ones!
Dunno, I am still stuck with this notion that I posted in Jan
"[Either] they weren’t that undersung and kind of did OK at least a cult level;
they were so flash-in-the-pan that there isn’t so much to say about them;
I’d feel a fraud for citing them because I wasn’t personally that well aware of them but heir legend has filtered down to me
Examples:
In the first camp, stuff like Cranes
in the second camp, Sharkboy and Flinch
In the third camp, Beat Happening and Slant 6"
> Aye well maybe so. BTW this is possibly the best ever thread on UKC!
Ha ha! Probably not, but thanks!
> Dunno, I am still stuck with this notion that I posted in Jan
> "[Either] they weren’t that undersung and kind of did OK at least a cult level;
> they were so flash-in-the-pan that there isn’t so much to say about them;
> I’d feel a fraud for citing them because I wasn’t personally that well aware of them but heir legend has filtered down to me
Still an awful lot of bands though. But of course that just reflects the fact that many people are making musical at any given time, and there's a limit to how many of them can be mega.
Thinking about the last part of your classification, it's much easier to catch up on bands that we never heard of or paid much attention to at the time, but at the same time there are more and more of them coming to light, thanks to the internet. It's hard to keep up... I think it's okay to reference bands like that though, and I do enjoy finding out about such bands. Even though it makes me realise I was a lot less hip than I thought I was...
From what i remember he lived life on the edge, it comes thru in the music pretty clearly.
That's pretty odd, ignore.
Another long lost band from late 80s/early 90s - Furniture - Brilliant Mind and Love Your Shoes were great singles from album The Wrong People
The intros thread just made me think of Be Bop Deluxe. I used to be a big fan, still dig them out now and then. Not sure if they were mentioned further upthread. Anyway, here's a great intro:
> Examples:
> In the first camp, stuff like Cranes
I have a Cranes story.
At some point many years ago, I found myself working as a tape op (well, to be accurate, on the dole and getting paid a pittance, cash in hand, as was the way back then) and I've just looked Cranes up on Allmusic and, guess what, I got a credit on the album 'Loved'. I remember Jim and Alison being lovely people, they bought both the assistant engineers bottles of strong liqueur on their final night in the studio despite our lack of input. I think we left them to their own devices that evening and got quietly bladdered (which may have been their intention).
Incidentally Mr Blue Straggler, did my partner and I climb alongside you on Holyhead mountain a couple of weeks ago? I note you logged the same climb as us that day.
> The intros thread just made me think of Be Bop Deluxe. I used to be a big fan, still dig them out now and then. Not sure if they were mentioned further upthread. Anyway, here's a great intro:
Brilliant band, saw them live a couple of times. Bill Nelson was vastly under-rated.
Has "House of Love" been done?
youtube.com/watch?v=FZrGUHunC9M&
Nelson may have been underrated but I wouldn't say he or Be Bop Deluxe were "a lost band" as such.
And House of Love were kind of big - Shine On and Christine still get massive airplay on UK radio. The fact that they were just a tiny bit before my time but I can name and picture Guy Chadwick, says a lot about how big they were
> Nelson may have been underrated but I wouldn't say he or Be Bop Deluxe were "a lost band" as such.
The last time I saw them they were playing the Glenn Ballroom in Llanelli, you don't get more lost than that.
> And House of Love were kind of big - Shine On and Christine still get massive airplay on UK radio. The fact that they were just a tiny bit before my time but I can name and picture Guy Chadwick, says a lot about how big they were
True, but I think they fit the OP's "or perhaps have fifteen minutes of fame before disappearing until resurrected by crate-diggers years in the future" criteria.
I’ve recently been given an album called Sea Shanties by High Tide by a very discerning obscurist who knows I like that sort of thing.
It isn’t an album of sea shanties! More like slightly ahead of it’s time, proggy, proto metal, a bit of Sabbath, a bit of Groundhogs, some electric violin, some very wiggy guitar. Released in 1969 and featuring members of The Misunderstood.
I had no clue this band ever existed, they made another album and members did lots of other stuff. Interesting!
Oh gawd... I was a total fan of theirs when I was a youth, and saw them a couple of times. Tony Hill and Simon House, guitar and violin. I don't think I listened to them for nearly forty years and then I found their second album lurking in my vinyl the other year. Played a bit and thought, 'Er, no... probably not now." Bit more of a downer trip than the first album (which I don't have any more but which a quick scan through on Spotify suggests has aged better).
This is a good sample, one of the lighter, more melodic tracks (!).
youtube.com/watch?v=gD9P3g7uJ1M&
I think they split up in a welter of downers and depression. You can hear it on the second album really. Simon House ended up in Hawkwind for a while. The drummer ended up in a mental hospital. All fairly normal for the times...
Hopefully there were no bizarre gardening accidents!
House of Love were great, but shoegazing got somewhat overwhelmed by grunge / baggy.
Likewise Slowdive.
I'm rather fond of Sileas, a Scottish harp duo. But obscure folk bands are 10 a penny.
Reviving the thread.
She made albums before and afterward but here I’ll say it’s a lost album rather than a lost artist.
Long Shot Novena by Eileen Rose, came out around 2001 I think.
perrfectly places in time, when the UK music press was in love with all things folky-Americana.
really well produced album with a variety of song styles, and a lot of personality in her voice, and a few absolutely killer tunes. Uncut magazine picked up on her and I guess she got some radio play on Bob Harris, but she struck me as the sort of person who should be on jools Holland as the “unknown artist” and stun everyone. Never really happened for her.
oOOoooOOOh! Just remembered a band from my youth, they showed great promise as a prog act, but never made it big, anyone else remember "Tea"?
I saw Sileas a couple of times. Very good.
Totally missed them (TEA). I guess prog had peaked by then - I know I'd rather grown out of such things at that point.
Probably a bit too well-known for this thread, but I saw Swervedriver play their first couple of albums live last week - Mezcal Head in particular is excellent
"Grown out of" sounds a bit patronising - I don't mean that, more that I'd moved on to the next thing (whatever that was...)