Cultural icons you miss, and why

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Removed User 23 Oct 2020

Who do you wish was around today to give their ideas and comments on that state of things?

I miss Vonnegut, Hunter Thompson, Hitch and Bourdain for their comments on politics and society.

Would love to hear Deng Xiao Ping's opinions on current China, David Sterling's on current Britain and Marshall McLuhan's on the media.

Be nice to have Glen Gould back too.

 The New NickB 24 Oct 2020
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Bill Hicks would be fun to have around.

 veteye 24 Oct 2020
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Glen Gould. Hmmm interesting. I often play his original recording of the Goldberg variations, when studying or thinking seriously. Yet I think that he was an oddity. 

If him, what about Horowitz? 

Then on from there, what about Beethoven? Or is that too far back?

Removed User 24 Oct 2020
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> Then on from there, what about Beethoven? Or is that too far back?

I say go as far back as you like.

I mention Gould in this instance for his views on recording techniques, the recording industry and technology, and the performing arts in general. Chaplin and Orsen Welles would be good too.

 FactorXXX 24 Oct 2020
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Churchill.
Might not be to everyone's liking, but at least he would have managed to get stuff done and at the same time making people accept that those decisions no matter how restrictive were actually necessary.

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 Andy Clarke 24 Oct 2020
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Sartre: so we could get falling-down putting-the-world-to-rights drunk together in Les Deux Magots.

Shackleton: so we don't have to spend years slowly wasting away, leaderless on the lockdown ice.

And for music, Robert Johnson, with his Hellhound on a lead.

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 veteye 24 Oct 2020
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Which type of, and location of crossroads would you meet at?

 Andy Clarke 24 Oct 2020
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> Which type of, and location of crossroads would you meet at?

In Clarksdale, where Highway 61 meets Highway 49. We could get ourselves matching commemorative T shirts. (I am actually planning to visit this unashamedly touristy spot when I do a Blues Trail to celebrate my next big birthday - pandemics permitting.)

 DerwentDiluted 24 Oct 2020
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Linda Smith & Jeremy Hardy.

 nufkin 24 Oct 2020
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>  Who do you wish was around today to give their ideas and comments on that state of things?

Do they have to be people who were alive during our own lives?

I still miss John Peel, for exposing me to music I'd otherwise have missed, or dismissed, and for the happily shambolic way he occasionally did it

 Lankyman 24 Oct 2020
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> Who do you wish was around today to give their ideas and comments on that state of things?

Bill & Ben, Andy Pandy and Larry the lamb. What would they make of the crap the kids watch today? All that CGI stuff is just weird.

Removed User 24 Oct 2020
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> Do they have to be people who were alive during our own lives?

Not at all.  

 wercat 24 Oct 2020
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John Peel

on US politics Alastair Cooke

In reply to Andy Clarke:

> In Clarksdale, where Highway 61 meets Highway 49. We could get ourselves matching commemorative T shirts. (I am actually planning to visit this unashamedly touristy spot when I do a Blues Trail to celebrate my next big birthday - pandemics permitting.)

That’s the crossroads where the devil sold his soul to Keith Richards isn’t it?

 Robert Durran 24 Oct 2020
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Pericles. I reckon he would be interested to see how that new-fangled democracy thing is working out.

 DaveHK 24 Oct 2020
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> Pericles. I reckon he would be interested to see how that new-fangled democracy thing is working out.

If we're going right back I'd like to hear what Marcus Aurelius would have to say about today's society too. Perhaps much the same as he said before but it would be folly to assume that. He might be a Twitter sensation.

 Hat Dude 24 Oct 2020
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It would be interesting to see what Orwell might make of things these days

 Robert Durran 24 Oct 2020
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> If we're going right back I'd like to hear what Marcus Aurelius would have to say about today's society too. Perhaps much the same as he said before but it would be folly to assume that. He might be a Twitter sensation.

I'd quite like to see Homer's reaction to the cultural ubiquity of the idea of an "Odyssey" nearly three thousand years after he lived.

Removed User 24 Oct 2020
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Fermat, because, well, you know.

 Tom Valentine 24 Oct 2020
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As a cultural icon, I lament this week's passing of Spencer Davis whose music represents the sound of my teen years as much and possibly even more than the Beatles or the Stones. Definitely one of Abertawe's finest. RIP.

 AukWalk 25 Oct 2020
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As others mentioned, Vonnegut and Orwell come to mind, and I guess for the same sort of reasons I'd also choose Aldous Huxley.  I think they'd help us understand what kind of a beast our modern society actually is, and where we are / might be heading for. 

Some other people that might be able to use their skills to help us think about the world today and see ways forward, maybe David Hume and John Stuart Mill. 

Also I'd love to see what historic politicians would make of the UK and the world today, eg JFK, William Pitt the younger, William Gladstone, then going further back Emperor Justinian, Marcus Aurelius, Julius Caesar, etc... In some ways maybe the older ones would have less to offer than the more recent ones just because the world has changed so much that its hard to imagine whether what made them interesting and successful back in the day would be relevant in today's world. But then again it would still be interesting just to hear them try to get to grips with things and what they make of it coming from such a different background. 

Also not that she's dead, but I'd love to know what the Queen is really thinking. I imagine there are few other people around who have met so many public figures, been privy to politics at the highest level for decades, and communicated with so many influential people on all manner of topics. 

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> As a cultural icon, I lament this week's passing of Spencer Davis whose music represents the sound of my teen years as much and possibly even more than the Beatles or the Stones. Definitely one of Abertawe's finest. RIP.

I was really little, when my brother came in the house and started talking about how his school mate from round the corner was joining Spencer Davis’ band. Turns out Steve Winwood and his brother did ok....

 Myfyr Tomos 25 Oct 2020
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Benny Hill?        Sorry...

 wbo2 25 Oct 2020
In reply to Removed Userwaitout :Is it wise to constantly hanker back to the past?  Perhaps if the 4 people you name first had lived 100 years earlier they'd have been complete non-entities and you wouldn't miss them as much.

Removed User 25 Oct 2020
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> Is it wise to constantly hanker back to the past? 

No, I don't think so, but it doesn't hurt to refer to it.

> Perhaps if the 4 people you name first had lived 100 years earlier they'd have been complete non-entities and you wouldn't miss them as much.

Completely possible, many people significant for their times are lost to history, probably most when you think about it. Where is Mani these days? For some reason though, some aren't. In the case of those 4, they chose to record their ideas, just as Solzhenitsyn, Dickens, Machiavelli and Confucius did before them, and those ideas influence the chaotic course that history takes. 

 Tom Valentine 25 Oct 2020
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Steve W is the one that you think of most  but Spencer D was the driving force I think.

 robert-hutton 25 Oct 2020
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Peter Ustinov for his intellect and humour.

Peter Cooke for his humour and intellect, saw him once in the early 80's and he looked like he was a corpse.

 Andy Clarke 25 Oct 2020
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> Steve W is the one that you think of most  but Spencer D was the driving force I think.

Quite possibly, but there can't be many artists as gifted across such a spectrum as Stevie Winwood: one of the great white soul voices; superb keyboard player (Traffic passim of course - but also that Hammond organ on Voodoo Chile spurring Jimi to rarely-scaled heights); and an excellent guitarist: his solo on the live (Sometimes I Feel So) Uninspired has always been one of my favourites.

 Tom Valentine 25 Oct 2020
In reply to Andy Clarke:

Happlily SW is not being missed yet and is still in fine form.

 Andy Clarke 25 Oct 2020
In reply to AukWalk:

> As others mentioned, Vonnegut and Orwell come to mind, and I guess for the same sort of reasons I'd also choose Aldous Huxley.  I think they'd help us understand what kind of a beast our modern society actually is, and where we are / might be heading for. 

I think the writer I'd most like to have back to comment on the current state of society would be Shelley. I'd love to hear what the author of the inspirational Mask of Anarchy would make of the moral bankruptcy of leaders like Johnson and Trump.


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