Dartmoor access consultation

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 Stone Muppet 22 Sep 2021

Dartmoor NP are proposing changes to bylaws including

no overnight sleeping in vehicles

no mountain bikes on access land (except rights of way)

Thought some here might like to have their say

https://www.dartmoor.gov.uk/about-us/who-we-are/byelaws-consultation

 Neil Williams 22 Sep 2021
In reply to Stone Muppet:

I see they've increased it to 3 person tents, this is sensible to me.

Still a group size of 6 which I think needs to increase to 8 based on group sizes typically used by youth organisations.  I've fed this back.

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 joem 22 Sep 2021
In reply to Stone Muppet:

> no mountain bikes on access land (except rights of way)

My reading is that this is already the case?

 Neil Williams 22 Sep 2021
In reply to joem:

The wording is subtly different.

No person shall without reasonable excuse ride or drive a cycle,
motorcycle, motor vehicle or any other mechanically propelled
vehicle on any part of the access land where there is no right of
way for that class of vehicle.

vs.

No person shall without reasonable excuse drive, ride or
propel any mechanically propelled vehicle or any pedal

propelled vehicle on any part of the Access Land other than on
a highway where there is a right of way for that class of
vehicle.

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I suspect the "or propel" is to avoid the defence for pavement parking (not illegal) not being evidence of having driven on the pavement (illegal), i.e. "I pushed it on, guv".  It does seem to suggest that you can't really cycle-backpack, though, as pushing your bike to a suitable camping spot is no longer allowed.

I'm not quite sure why it says highway - that would appear to disallow use of bridleways, BOATs etc, but it's not in the Authority's gift to do that - a public right of way is a public right of way.  This has come up elsewhere, where the likes of the National Trust and MK Parks Trust would like to regulate events taking place on public rights of way through their land, and have text on their website sort of implying this, but in fact have no right to do so.

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