Fork rebound question

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 The Potato 19 Apr 2023

Ive been trying to set up my fork (Rockshox Pike) but have been stumped by the rebound adjustment.
Its a Debonair air spring with the basic Charger RC damper, which I know isnt fantastic.
On previous RS forks the dial adjuster (tortoise to hare) would go from super fast to comedically slow rebound, but on this one, even the slowest setting is moderately quick. Id like to slow it down a tad more, its just fine on very rough stuff but anything else its a bit too quick.
Im 71kg and have it at 70psi with two air tokens, and otherwise is clean, lubed and working well.

I dont know if this is normal for this fork or not, Ive not found any answers online, and contacting suspension specialists they just say 'get it tuned' whatever the hell that means more than what Im doing already.

What would cause the rebound to be too fast?

 ChrisJD 19 Apr 2023
In reply to The Potato:

Are you getting full travel out of them on a ride?

I used to be at around 65 psi on 160 pikes and I'm 80kg. Plus try with one less token?

And fully open?

(Do they have any other trail/open settings or compression damping?).  Turn them all off as a starting point.

 a crap climber 19 Apr 2023
In reply to The Potato:

At the risk of getting a bit of flak, I suspect that lots of people have too much damping on their forks. Also manufacturers have something of a tradition of allowing an adjustment range way in excess of what is actually needed, e.g. on some forks if you wind the rebound all the way shut the forks will barely move. Some companies avoid this, realising that it's unnecessary. Of course it may well just be bad design.

I tend to run both compression and rebound as open as I can get away with, e.g. HSC all the way open and only a few clicks from open on LSC and rebound. The less damping, the better the fork can track the terrain and maintain contact and hence traction with the front wheel. Obviously if you're riding at pro level then you'll want it to be a lot stiffer as riding at higher speed generates bigger forces. It's not unusual for people to use the damper to compensate for a poor performing or poorly set up spring as well.

Why do you feel it's too quick currently?

Nerdy discussion of mtb suspension aside, if you want to slow it down you have two options really:

Easiest thing is to change the damper oil for a heavier weight. The service manual for the forks should tell you how to drain and replace the oil and what type/weight to use. Just for clarity, this is the oil in the damping cartridge, not the lubrication oil in the lowers. Be aware that there is little correlation between oil weights and actual damping properties between oil brands. Also not all oils are compatible with all seals. Safest way is to find the recommended oil type and get the same one but in a heavier weight. The mtbr.com forums tend to be full of info on this sort of thing if you really want to get nerdy about it.

Your other option is to change some of the internal parts of the rebound assembly (this is generally what people mean when they say 'tune' it). Better dampers tend to use a shim stack to control oil flow through the damping ports, by changing the sizes and orders of the shims you can change the damping properties. This is not necessarily an intuitive process, but there's plenty of info out there if you want to try it. If it doesn't use a shim stack in the rebound circuit then you'd have to do a bit of research to find if anyone makes aftermarket parts to allow you to tune it. A reputable suspension tuning company should be able to do this. Make sure it's a reputable company though. It may be cheaper/easier to change the entire cartridge for a better one though.

This can be quite an involved topic so apologies if any of the above needs a better explanation.

OP The Potato 19 Apr 2023
In reply to The Potato:

This fork has only compression damping adjustment dial on the top of the fork, and it basically does nothing, theres no HS/LSC options.

Yes I know I could replace the damper to 'tune' it but thats £260 minimum which is just silly

What makes it feel too quick? too much bounce on low speed hits

Sag is 20% and using the majority of the travel on the average ride

 a crap climber 19 Apr 2023
In reply to The Potato:

How old is it? Have you had it from new and has it always been like this? Just wondering if oil has leaked out the damper or something 

OP The Potato 19 Apr 2023
In reply to a crap climber:

That's the only thing I can think of too


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