Earthquake and avalanche in Nepal

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 veteye 25 Apr 2015
Just to say that the news is of earthquake and secondary effects in Nepal leading to a good number of deaths in Kathmandu and of eight climbers in base camp on Everest.The latter seems especially unfair and cruel of fate to take people's lives when they were in a phase of contemplation and planning, prior to taking what would normally be more risk that they would be prepared for.
I am sad for these people,their families and friends.I hope that the latter can find some tranquillity and peace eventually, by reflection after the shock of loss of their loved ones.Really a sad business.
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 timjones 25 Apr 2015
In reply to veteye:

> Just to say that the news is of earthquake and secondary effects in Nepal leading to a good number of deaths in Kathmandu and of eight climbers in base camp on Everest.The latter seems especially unfair and cruel of fate to take people's lives when they were in a phase of contemplation and planning, prior to taking what would normally be more risk that they would be prepared for.

> I am sad for these people,their families and friends.I hope that the latter can find some tranquillity and peace eventually, by reflection after the shock of loss of their loved ones.Really a sad business.

Every death due to this earthquake is a tragedy to someone. Lets try to avoid viewing deaths at Everest base camp as any more unfair or tragic than those of Nepalis going about their daily lives.
OP veteye 25 Apr 2015
In reply to timjones:

I don't think that I would view the loss of life of a native Nepalese as any different in general.That is also a sad and tragic loss.Yet I am on a climbing web-site and if I were lucky enough to be on an expedition, I would view it as being unfair and a strange irony if I were hit by an avalanche in base camp.That is what I would be thinking, as my fate was about to hit me.It would be a trip that I would have been building up to over a period of time and perhaps(certainly in some people's situations) the apogee of my mountain experience to that point.So to have that ripped away in such a terrible way at that time would seem particularly unfair at that time.
Whatever the case I feel sorry for all involved.

My thread was not aimed at separating out parties in the situation,nor to set up an argument.Intead it was to show sympathy to some people who are of a similar background as those who interact on this site.
 chris fox 25 Apr 2015
In reply to timjones:

Completely agree with you Tim.

When I hiked the Annapurna Circuit back in 1995 there was a huge landslide the year before at one of the villages (Bahundanda i think). 2 Canadians and dozens of locals died in it. There was/is a memorial at the village entrance to the 2 Canadians but nothing mentioned about the locals. Such a shame that the locals get overlooked.

Chris
Annoying Twit 25 Apr 2015
I've donated to Oxfam for their Nepal earthquake response. Not sure what charity would be best, but wanted to do something.
 Damo 26 Apr 2015
In reply to veteye:
As of 2pm AEST (10am Nepal time) there were 20 confirmed dead at Everest BC and around 1,800 across Nepal. There are more injured at Everest BC, awaiting evacuation.

Over 100 climbers are above the icefall at C1 and C2, mostly safe.

The unusually large avalanche came down from between Pumori and Lingtren and hit BC, though another is reported to have hit the icefall from Nuptse.

The icefall route was demolished but as of right now it is reported a few Sherpas had descended the icefall back to BC.

Helicopters could not fly Saturday due to poor weather but have flown today, Sunday.

Some villages like Thame are almost completely destroyed, though with no fatalities. Namche, Pheriche and other villages in the Khumbu have severe damage and undoubtedly fatalities. There have also been reports of destroyed villages in Gorkha district (near Manaslu etc).

Teams on Annapurna are reported all safe. Makalu BC was badly damaged but there are no reported fatalities at this time.

Kathmandu airport was reported to be damaged but flights are expected to operate today, Sunday.

For anyone with relatives or friends in Nepal, they *may* be on this list of missing persons compiled by the Red Cross:

http://familylinks.icrc.org/nepal-earthquake/en/Pages/Home.aspx

Please note that as bad as 'Missing' sounds, it mostly means the person has not communicated they are OK and may not even know they are subject of concern.

Communications are down all over Nepal, affecting phone and internet, so many people are simply out of touch.

Best wishes to all affected.
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 Damo 26 Apr 2015
In reply to Damo:
Over the last six or seven hours, the best rolling coverage has been from The Guardian:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2015/apr/26/nepal-earthquake-death-to...

Eric Simonson of IMG has posted images of the serac that fell on EBC: http://www.mountainguides.com/everest-south15.shtml

One of the direct reports from EBC: http://mountaintrip.com/everest/morning-at-everest-base-camp-after-the-eart...

Edit: Helicopters have reached climbers at C1: http://altitudepakistan.blogspot.com.au/2015/04/spring-2015-aerial-evacuati...
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In reply to Damo: There's good coverage on the Daily Telegraph website too.

Though perhaps 'good' is a particularly poor word choice. With reports of a second avalanche following a significant aftershock, 'sobering' might be a more appropriate word. Whether you're a mountaineer, climber, trekker or hillwalker, please donate something to the relief effort if you can.

T.
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 McGus 26 Apr 2015
In reply to Damo:

thanks Damo. I appreciated the links and updates. Word is starting to come out now and I'm hearing from Nepali friends gradually but it seems communication lines are still badly affected. Awful.
 MikeTS 26 Apr 2015
In reply to veteye:

If everyone here that has been to Nepal contributed 1% of what they spent on the trip, we could make a difference.
 Šljiva 26 Apr 2015
In reply to MikeTS:
Hit by Avalanche in Everest Basecamp 25.04.2015

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=_JC_wIWUC2U
 planetmarshall 26 Apr 2015
In reply to Šljiva:

Felt my pulse race watching that. Utterly terrifying.
 adam06 26 Apr 2015
just donated to red-cross to help towards this. did it via paypal and takes 2 mins:
http://www.redcross.org.uk/Donate-Now

get on it if you haven't already.
 k_os 26 Apr 2015
In reply to veteye:
If you can't donate money, or if you want to donate more than just money, you can donate your time. Organisations need access to the most up date maps of the regions they're working in, and this can often be quite difficult information to find. The Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team help to map areas using satellite imagery (road network, buildings etc), and if you have been to particular areas then you can add further information. The data you input is openly available almost immediately on openstreetmap.org and is used by many organisations.

More info on how you can get involved here;
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2015_Nepal_earthquake

If anyone is in London and would like to learn more, there is an event running on Tuesday where you can find out more and start mapping.
https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/missing-mapshot-april-mapathon-tickets-16531...

If anyone has any questions please drop me a message. Admins, I'm guessing you're writing an article to go on the main page tomorrow, it would be great if you could mention this, or drop me a message and I can write something for it. If any expedition companies have data they own (e.g. gps locations of points of interest, guest houses etc) that they don't think is in openstreetmap please also get in touch as we can help with the technical side of things.

Thanks in advance

Kieran
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 colinakmc 26 Apr 2015
In reply to adam06:
Action aid are also accepting donations for Nepal; this is unfolding as completely hideous for ordinary Nepalis. I don't have local knowledge or special skills to help so money's all I can contribute.
 gilliesp 27 Apr 2015
In reply to colinakmc:

Action Aid, Oxfam, Red cross and others.....is there a BEST one to donate through?

Presumably it works like this....the big ones will get going instantly as they have huge reserves and we will feed into this reservoir as it depletes, thereby topping it up until the next time?
 Damo 27 Apr 2015
In reply to veteye:

American climber Jake Norton has been trying to consolidate info on how to help on his page, at least from the US side:
http://mountainworldproductions.com/wp/2015/04/nepal-earthquake-more-update...

Friends in-country or closely connected, plus what's been obvious in reports, are saying that Medecins Sans Frontieres have been doing good work on the ground, and both the Red Cross and Caritas were involved right from the start (as they're already set up there).

Dwindling medical supplies seems to be one of the most critical issues right now, other dangers aside. So donating to groups that can help in that way might have the most impact.

Photos are coming in from outer areas now and it's clear Gorkha region and Langtang are severely hit.

Langtang village, reportedly, is destroyed with over 100 killed. Photos from a helo show landslides everywhere in the valley and whole areas razed, looking like a desert.

Direct reports from a friend show trouble getting out of, and into, the main KTM airport, though it has operated sporadically. Pokhara was initially reported to be OK from the first quake, so I assume its airport is functioning.
abseil 27 Apr 2015
In reply to MikeTS:

> If everyone here that has been to Nepal contributed 1% of what they spent on the trip, we could make a difference.

Yes. That goes without saying. But I like the specific figure of 1% in your post, that's helpful somehow*.

*Maybe because it makes people think of a specific number e.g. "20 quid" followed by "I can afford that".
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In reply to veteye:

It'll be interesting to hear from Ed Douglas about it. Ten days ago he tweeted that he was off to West Nepal for a month, but there's been no sound from him since ... which is a bit worrying.
 AdamCB 27 Apr 2015
In reply to abseil:

Agreed, nice suggestion.
 hokkyokusei 27 Apr 2015
In reply to adam06:

> just donated to red-cross to help towards this. did it via paypal and takes 2 mins:


Me too.
 MikeTS 27 Apr 2015
In reply to veteye:

I know that this is a long shot but I have just started helping at an excellent Israeli organisation with over 100 people on the ground in Nepal already established in small communities. So they can use immediately any money they receive. They are seeking 50,000 USD. Donations page is https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/urgent-israeli-relief-to-nepal-tevel#hom...
 cander 27 Apr 2015
In reply to adam06:

Thanks for the link - money donated
 Mr Lopez 27 Apr 2015
In reply to MikeTS:

Using a disaster to get donations for an organization that don't do disaster relief operations is well and truly morally rotten...
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Alex Messenger, BMC 27 Apr 2015
In reply to Gordon Stainforth:

We've heard that Ed Douglas and team are OK. Long way from Everest, but also a long way from communication....

Latest news and suggested ways to donate here:

https://www.thebmc.co.uk/nepal-earthquake-latest-news-and-how-can-you-can-h...

 mypyrex 27 Apr 2015
In reply to veteye:

Doug Scott's CAN charity are taking donations through Justgiving:
https://www.justgiving.com/can
 MikeTS 27 Apr 2015
In reply to Mr Lopez:

> Using a disaster to get donations for an organization that don't do disaster relief operations is well and truly morally rotten...

It does. Can you explain what are talking about? I have just got back from their office where they are organising their second supply shipment. You can read all about the organisation, which has great development projects in Nepal, Haiti and Burundi.
http://www.tevelbtzedek.org/what-we-do/work/

I suggest you delete your post ASAP before too many people realise what a mean spirited human being you are.

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 starbug 27 Apr 2015
In reply to mypyrex:

I am one of five trustees of a small charity Yolmo Connect. We are helping a school Nepal. If you can help please do. Our original aim running for that last few years was to work on the IT systems at the school. We are now diverting our resource to help the earthquake relief operation.

We have a teacher at Melamchi Ghyang School in Nepal at the moment unfortunately the school has been flattened by the earthquake.

Any amount of money 50P, £1, £100 will help please donate if you would like to help.

Our teacher is at the school now and we have links to the local population so please help us to assist the school and the village if you can.

The link below is the charity’s pay pal account page:

http://yolmoconnect.weebly.com/about-yc.html

 mypyrex 27 Apr 2015
In reply to starbug:

I have already donated through the Just giving link I posted
 Mr Lopez 27 Apr 2015
In reply to MikeTS:

I did read the website, they are not an emergency relief charity. Money now is better spent on those who can make an immediate impact. Once the waters have settled then it's time to start again "educating communities"

Having worked in Nepal in the last 8 years, we are devastated by the destruction and loss of lives in the recent earthquake. With 47 Israeli team members and 55 Nepali staff currently on the ground, we are committed to helping our Nepali friends and communities recover from this tragedy. But we need your help.

What we're doing now

Providing emergency assistance to Israelis at the embassy
Assessing needs in villages where we work
Connecting people with their families
Emotional support for tourists and locals

What we do

Long-term strategic intervention

There are no “quick fixes” in the developing world- real change takes time. Tevel’s intervention program lasts 4-5 years during which time we have local staff in the village full time. The staff trains local leadership that takes over the projects after the intervention period with continued support from the Tevel headquarters.




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 MikeTS 27 Apr 2015
In reply to Mr Lopez:

> I did read the website, they are not an emergency relief charity. Money now is better spent on those who can make an immediate impact.

Which is exactly the point. They have locals there, integrated into a community that is in terrible shape as a result of the earthquake, and who know exactly what is needed right now.

All types of aid are needed. Large, generic and slow. And small, fast and targeted. Tevel b'Tzedek is providing the latter.

I notice you didn't make the same comment 'well and truly morally rotten' about the school charity above. Maybe you should - to be consistent.
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 MikeTS 27 Apr 2015
In reply to Mr Lopez:
This is an example of what the Tevel b'Tzedek funds are required for. I am sure this is a story that can be repeated for many such small targeted charities.

'The village of Samantar, home of the low caste, marginalized “Dunwar Rai”, who lived by fishing a river that no longer has fish, was the jewel in our crown. When we arrived, most of the population of the village survived by crushing stones for gravel by the river. The women were illiterate, and were not part of the community leadership. There were no toilets in the entire village, and many of the children went to school only sporadically.

We have changed all that. The village now makes a living selling vegetables commercially. The women are literate and active, a crucial part of the community leadership. The children are in school. Every home has a bio-gas toilet.

Or had. The entire village, near the epicenter of the quake, is now in ruins, the houses crumbled into dust. '
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In reply to gilliesp:

> Action Aid, Oxfam, Red cross and others.....is there a BEST one to donate through?

> Presumably it works like this....the big ones will get going instantly as they have huge reserves and we will feed into this reservoir as it depletes, thereby topping it up until the next time?

http://www.shelterbox.org/

There are some fantastic organisations providing aid to the Nepalese at the moment, but if anybody is considering a donation, could I ask that you look at shelterbox?

This is a Cornwall-based charity which specialises in providing self-contained units (the boxes) which comprise shelter, insulation, cooking equipment and water purification. This is essential kit in the aftermath of a disaster like this, where the mass human displacement can cause higher numbers of fatalities than the earthquake itself. These guys do this everywhere in the world and know their stuff extremely well.

I suspect that there are many other extremely useful charities out there - this just happens to be local to us. Many thanks for looking.
 starbug 28 Apr 2015
In reply to starbug:

Hi Please note due to the earthquake we have changed some of the charities web pages.
There are a number of pages with the donation information on them. (The link in the post above will no longer work and I cannot see how to edit the post)

http://www.yolmoconnect.org/the-charity.html

On the news front we have heard from our teacher and whilst he is OK the school has been flattened.

Our Facebook page is updated as we get more reports here:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/199900690189349/?fref=nf

We will be joining forces with the Nepalese Childrens Trust they have already got off to a good start with donations for rebuilding the school they can handle more significant donations than we can. The charities will work together to support the village and school rebuilding.


 k_os 30 Apr 2015
In reply to Gordon Stainforth:

Just seen on twitter (from @MyOutdoors) that "Ed Douglas has been confirmed as safe in far NW of Nepal and was unaware of the quake!"

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