In reply to Martin1978:
Can't try the R2 locally, but I managed to try the Rab Logan today and the fit really didn't suit me at all. The Vapour Rise Guide, however, fits perfectly and was lovely. A bit "softshell" compared to what I was after though. Both heavier than I wanted, but with the VR Guide I think I'd always wear it (pit zips and breathability wise I think I'd not need to take it off).
I also tried the ME Touchstone fleece and that was thermal pro, but not the hi-loft type. Very warm, great fit and cheaper, and I reckon it's top of the list...unless I get swayed by the VR Guide that is!
I just know I'll throw a shell on as soon as the weather turns bad, so don't think I'll need anything other than a fleece (ie, not the VR Guide!).