In reply to Toby_W: Yeah exactly, he's still clinging to that third place in '09. He should re-watch his ride on Ventoux, I did a few weeks ago, compared to a few days before he's a different person. I do think its important though that Lance doesn't take all the doping shame though, there's plenty of others in cycling alone, not to mention those in Spanish tennis and football that have been hinted at and I'd be surprised if this was a uniquely Spanish problem.